what's a good training regime for beginners?

Discussion in 'Health and Fitness' started by Bruce_Lee93, Jun 14, 2010.

  1. Kuma

    Kuma Lurking about

    Have you ever tried an overhead squat? You can do as much Pilates as you want but I think you'll still be buggered to do it with a simple broomstick your first time out.
     
  2. Kuma

    Kuma Lurking about

    So what routine would YOU recommend, BuddhaPalm?
     
  3. BuddhaPalm

    BuddhaPalm Valued Member

    Well, yawn. Like Frank Sinatra sang, i did it my way.
     
  4. Kuma

    Kuma Lurking about

    So are you going to post us a sample routine or not?

    And despite what your PM said, no I am not going to pay you AUS 30 for your "training" routine.

    And like I said in my response to you, I feel terribly sorry for anyone you have "trained" as it's pretty obvious they got ripped off.

    Since you obviously know so much, then I'm sure you're aware that compound exercises:

    **Stimulate way more muscle fibers, allowing for more growth and strength development
    **Reduce your time in the gym, thus allowing more time for your sport of choice
    **Because you're training so many more muscle fibers it releases a lot more GH than a simple triceps kickback would.
    **Allow more recovery, thus reducing the risk of overtraining
    **Compound exercises tend to mimic more of what we do in real life. Take for example the picture of me lifting the Atlas stone that I sent you. You have to row it into your chest, front squat it down to where you can get a good grip on it, rise up from the front squat and give a powerful surge much like a hang clean to get the Atlas stone up to the platform.
    **Because they work more muscle fibers, compounds will actually burn much more calories than simple isolation exercises will. In fact, a good routine of compounds can actually burn calories up to 2 hours after finishing your workout.
    **Compound movements teach the body to move as one and require balance and coordination, not to mention improving your overall posture, athleticism, and yes even your core strength (though I hate the core terminology). This all ties in to this little thing we call proprioception.
    **Compound exercises help you improve the stability of your joints, which as you get older you'll see is important.

    But, I'm sure you knew all that already. You are a "professional", after all.
     
  5. BuddhaPalm

    BuddhaPalm Valued Member

    Now, now kuma don't be so rash to judge.

    I was taking the **** with that PM.

    I know all that information like the back of my hand.

    Actually, i have never written or taken some one through an isolation program that i have described earlier. I'm not stupid, after all. I know that kind of practice is generally unkown to most people. I gave my clients what they needed to meet their goals as soon as possible.

    My theory, because i've done it, is more of a philosophical approach for martial artists. Something that you can't simply grasp.
     
  6. Freeform

    Freeform Fully operational War-Pig Supporter

    Physically speaking why are MAists any different from rugby, tennis or track & field athletes.

    I smell some romanticised BS.
     
  7. BuddhaPalm

    BuddhaPalm Valued Member

    Thats where we're different. I mean you, Kuma and me. I shouldn't have to tell you why martial artists are different from a rugby or tennis player.
     
  8. Simon

    Simon Administrator Admin Supporter MAP 2017 Koyo Award

    Yes you should tell us the difference.

    Athletic endevour is athletic endevour.

    We await your answer.
     
  9. tkd GU

    tkd GU Valued Member

    "A scientific theory summarizes a hypothesis or group of hypotheses that have been supported with repeated testing. A theory is valid as long as there is no evidenc to dispute it."

    http://chemistry.about.com/od/chemistry101/a/lawtheory.htm

    off topic but there you go anyway.
     
  10. tkd GU

    tkd GU Valued Member

    The survival instinct is fight or flight. If you a good flier, you can probably out run most threats, and if you can out run most threats, you don't need lots of muscle mass to avoid becoming a victim. A good flier isn't concerned with much muscle other than the legs, and even then it has to be the perfect balance of fast twitch and slow twitch. In that case, your self defense training is backup in the event that you're trapped.
     
  11. Simon

    Simon Administrator Admin Supporter MAP 2017 Koyo Award

    Does not answer the question.

    If, is a dangerous assumption to make, I would rather know for sure.

    If you think you only need to train the legs in order to be able to run, then you better up your MA training.

    The arguement is one of isolation against compound movements. Fight or flight is for another thread. So the question still stands, what is the difference between athletes when beginning a training routine.
     
  12. BuddhaPalm

    BuddhaPalm Valued Member

    Well, first of all martial arts is first and foremost a tool for self defence. As a martial artist you have to train every part of your body for combat. That doesn't mean training with a rugby team or playing tennis. You have to condition your body, shin, palms, fore arms etc.
    Sports have some similarities but they cease to exist when you specialise in martial arts training. For example a tennis player wont grap a pair of 2 kg dumbbells and throw punches in the air. A rugby player wont do strength moves followed by plyometics and kicks in the air or bag.
    These are just a couple of examples, there is a world of difference. Your imagination is the limit.
     
  13. Simon

    Simon Administrator Admin Supporter MAP 2017 Koyo Award

    No one mentioned training alongside a rugby player.

    Conditioning shins, palms, and forearms has nothing to do with isolation against compound movements.

    If you think that rugby or tennis players do not do plyometric movements relative to their sport you need to get further research. You comparisons do not stand up. Who said anything about tennis player doing kicks in the air, a stupid arguement.

    You have still not answered the question.
     
  14. BuddhaPalm

    BuddhaPalm Valued Member

    What exactly is your question?
     
  15. Simon

    Simon Administrator Admin Supporter MAP 2017 Koyo Award

    It's not hard.
     
  16. tkd GU

    tkd GU Valued Member

    Umm... did you read that before you posted? Last I checked, runners, long distance, mid distance, and sprinters don't need any training in MA to excel.

    Oh yeah, you're right I didn't do anything to really address your question. My apologies. Just getting a little lazy about reading now.
     
  17. Kuma

    Kuma Lurking about

    If you know the world is round, why would you argue that the world is flat?

    So if you've never written or trained someone using it, why would you even recommend it or claim it works?

    See, I call BS. You got called out on your silly theory, and now you're trying to hide behind something else so you don't have to explain yourself. I've been training in MA a day or so, I might have picked up a little "martial arts philosophy" in my day. Rather than use a cop out, why not explain yourself? If it's such a great idea, it might actually benefit someone else.
     
  18. Kuma

    Kuma Lurking about

    And a hypothesis is an observation that can be disproven but not proven to be true. Which is in your same link, and which is more of what he is saying than a theory itself.
     
  19. Kuma

    Kuma Lurking about

    Soldiers train for life or death fights as well.

    And you're confusing "skill training" with "athletic training."
     
  20. Simon

    Simon Administrator Admin Supporter MAP 2017 Koyo Award

    I think we are flogging a dead horse here Kuma.
     

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