What martial art(s) allows practitioner to defeat a much stronger/bigger opponent than them?

Discussion in 'General Martial Arts Discussion' started by EdiSco, Mar 20, 2022.

  1. EdiSco

    EdiSco Likes his anonymity

    I know there are many variables but was just wondering what arts would work against much stronger/bigger opponents?
     
  2. David Harrison

    David Harrison MAPper without portfolio

    Weapon arts.
     
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  3. Xue Sheng

    Xue Sheng All weight is underside

    Wing Chun is supposed to be
     
  4. EdiSco

    EdiSco Likes his anonymity

    Thanks guys. I thought BJJ would've been 1st choice of most...
     
  5. icefield

    icefield Valued Member

    BJJ works better against bigger stronger guys who aren't as well trained as you (just like boxing, judo and any art) if the other guys as good or almost as good as you AND bigger/stronger you are in just as much trouble in BJJ as you would be in wing chun
     
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  6. David Harrison

    David Harrison MAPper without portfolio

    Yup. There's no such thing as a martial art for smaller people.

    Even my tongue in cheek answer about weapons isn't really true. If they are bigger and stronger they will still have an advantage. Even when it comes to firearms combat it's an advantage to be big and strong; just look at special forces soldiers.
     
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  7. Dead_pool

    Dead_pool Spes mea in nihil Deus MAP 2017 Moi Award


    That is true, but only upto a point, during the first gulf war lots of the American soldiers were so large that they couldn't function on standard amounts of MREs, fainted and got sent away.

    Being Strong enough, over a long time is the normal military aim.

    It's the same reason they get given stimulants and not steroids.
     
  8. Smitfire

    Smitfire Cactus Schlong

    "Fighting" involves stand-up, clinch and ground fighting. It just does.
    The size of the people involved doesn't change that basic premise so you have to be functional in those areas whether you're 6'4" or 4'6".
     
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  9. David Harrison

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    I was talking about the ones who get what they need from the bean counters. Just take a look at SEAL team 6, they're not small guys!

    Obviously stuff like extended escape and evasion will benefit from not needing a lot of calories to run your body, but the top level door-kickers tend to be big guys.
     
  10. Dead_pool

    Dead_pool Spes mea in nihil Deus MAP 2017 Moi Award

    I wouldn't say Charlie sheen is that bulky! Size helps, but you wouldn't be getting too many people the size of Thor in the navy in the first place.
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  11. David Harrison

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    Ha!

    No, not like Thor, but a far cry from your typical endurance athlete physique.

    Here's SEAL snipers, for instance. I would call them big and muscular guys compared to the general population (and me!):

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    SEALs on a charity swim:
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  12. Dead_pool

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    They're not body building size though, none of them look like they spend all their time in the gym, I imagine the point where you can't manage on standard rations would be a natural stopping point.

    I imagine someone like David goggins would be the upper end of that continuum, then again he's also an ultra endurance athlete, so maybe I don't know what I'm talking about!! Haha download (1).jpeg
     
  13. David Harrison

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    No, no-one is as big as bodybuilders, because it's their job to be big!

    Top tier forces aren't limited by rations, they get what they need. A lot has changed since the 90's. A SEAL might have up to 6000 kCal per day, depending on the mission.

    They look a lot bigger than these guys:
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  14. Smitfire

    Smitfire Cactus Schlong

    Say what!!? I dunno what you look like but those charity swim guys look like they spend a LOT of time in the gym.
    Not all their time obvs...gotta shoot guns and stuff too. But they are definitely some bigger than average dudes.
    Look at the mitts on this unit!

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  15. David Harrison

    David Harrison MAPper without portfolio

    Thor, I'd guess from the comments.
     
  16. Dead_pool

    Dead_pool Spes mea in nihil Deus MAP 2017 Moi Award

    I was commenting on the top photo not the charity swim photo, which I hadn't seen.

    The main qualification for being in the seals isn't a six pack, strength helps, but at a certain point, more strength, doesn't mean better outcomes, it doesn't mean they won't be in top tier shape. i'm obviously explaining my point badly.

    Back to watching Charlie sheen Instructionals!
     
  17. David Harrison

    David Harrison MAPper without portfolio

    Obviously it isn't the main qualification, but those blokes are big and strong by any metric. Bigger and stronger than the average man, bigger and stronger than the average male martial artist, and I'd guess bigger and stronger than the average male black belt martial artist.

    Being big and strong helps in combat. Intense specialisation such as bodybuilding or marathon running is going to leave gaps for a generalist like a SEAL, but that doesn't alter the fact that special forces are, on the whole, big strong blokes.
     
  18. icefield

    icefield Valued Member

    By and large SEALs tend to be bigger than rangers or delta, and by and large they all tend to be bigger than SAS.

    Partly due to nature of their work, SEALs like the old SBS were meant to be hitting boats and oil rigs they needed bigger upper bodies to climb ropes, rigging etc
     
  19. Yanli

    Yanli Banned Banned

    lol, my 4'11 and 110 pound wife would disagree with you. A truly powerful fighter is not dependent on strength or size, there are many small martial artist that have proven that. As you practice through the years, try and see the reasoning in that statement.
     
  20. Yanli

    Yanli Banned Banned

    There is no such thing as a better form, when it comes right down to it, there are variables that will determine who will win, one of which is the fighter. You can have two students that practice the exact same form by the same Sensei, spend the exact same amount of training and so on, but one will be better then the other. I personally would recommend Win Chun, and there are other forms meant specifically for what you are asking, but it will still come down to you and your opponent, but not their size or strength. This is something that can be argued back and forth, but if you consider two crucial factors, you will see that size and strength do not batter. Now, there will be those that will be asking what those two factors are, well as your Sensei's will tell you, you have to learn that for yourself. As you try and learn that, you will learn many other things. I hope this has helped you.
     

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