What makes jujitsu effective

Discussion in 'Ju Jitsu' started by Katsu, Sep 29, 2012.

  1. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    No pain = you still can't move and I can still make you go where I want you...which admittedly is usually flat on the floor
     
  2. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    I actually think we are at the same point but I am just further refining the scope...it one drawback of the web that every point is in isolation and seems like an argument when it actually isn't
     
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  3. greg1075

    greg1075 Valued Member

    Can you describe what specific technique you're referring to and in what position the attacker is while you're performing it? A standing hammerlock where I'm not in pain or off balance gives the attacker's teeth a great opportunity to meet my elbow.
     
  4. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    Only if you stand square or belly to back - I apply them side on with the lock being applied with one arm. I assume you are thinking of the arm up the back and holding the wrist variety
     
  5. greg1075

    greg1075 Valued Member

    Yes I'm talking about the "bad" variation, standing right behind stomach-to-back, twisting the arm up by pushing the wrist upward along the back vs pulling outward away from back...
     
  6. Dead_pool

    Dead_pool the merc with the mouth MAP 2017 Moi Award

    what do you do with your spare arm, post on the neck? to stop them circling into you? Far arm/sleeve control?
    or something else?
     
  7. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    I usually grab the same shoulder to assist a takedown (step back and "drag") or else strike, C-clamp or LVNR

    If it can't get them down in the first few seconds (rare) I transition to one of those follow ups or abandon completely and go to something else.

    The positioning is vital and the more you move to the side when the lock is sliding into place the harder it is for them to assert control. The lock will often end up being a straight arm lock as they try to resist the initial application but that's just flowing again
     
  8. Dead_pool

    Dead_pool the merc with the mouth MAP 2017 Moi Award

    If you dont mind, could you explain-

    1) C clamp?
    2) LVNR?
     
  9. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    Lateral Vascular Neck Restraint....a posh word for a type of restraint we use (not a choke oh dear me no absolutely not.....)

    A C-Clamp is also called a single handed carotid restraint....think of what the Undertaker does prior to a choke slam :)
     
  10. Dead_pool

    Dead_pool the merc with the mouth MAP 2017 Moi Award

    Sorted, non choke nonslam it is!
     
  11. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    The lock looks a little like this, although this specific example is giving the subject too much "base" for my taste
     

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  12. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    Another example, but from prone. This is the typical "end position" although you can score this on the ground if fighting someone who has not ha decent exposure
     

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  13. peterc8455

    peterc8455 Valued Member

    Sorry for the necro; however someone asked me recently in private if anyone had ever verified Joe Puleio's claim of "Godan rank 5th degree Black Belt directly under Grand Master Shoto Tanemura in Kokusai Jiu Jitsu" .

    I had forgotten about this thread and to any GENBUKAN folks out there, have any of you encountered Mr. Puleio in your training?

    If yes, do you also know if he received a 5th dan in Kokusai Jujutsu Renmei (KJJR) from Tanemura sensei?

    Thanks
    Pete
     
  14. Morik

    Morik Well-Known Member Supporter MAP 2017 Gold Award

    I'm curious about that verification as well PeterC.

    I just recently started training at a school taught by one of Puleo's students, and as far as I can tell (I'm just barely not a newbie, so take that with a grain of salt), it seems pretty legit. So regardless of how those claims turn out I am staying with the school, but I do just like to know for curiosities sake.
     
  15. greg1075

    greg1075 Valued Member

    Looks like the Puleio investigation isn't going anywhere. That's too bad. Morik, which student of Puleio's are you referring to? That might be someone I know. Just curious. You can let me know via MP if you don't want to disclose the name publicly.
     
  16. greg1075

    greg1075 Valued Member

    In the end, I'd say that from my time under that 'system' (which, bare in mind, had undergone some changes by the time I got to it + I was 2 instructors removed from Puleio), I learned a mish-mash of techniques borrowed - in typical westerner jiujitsu school fashion - from many different styles some effective, some not at all (to his credit, my instructor was aware of this) with entirely too much time (I'd say 85%) dedicated to katas and compliant drilling and not nearly enough resistance and pressure training. Again, I'd say it's par for the course for a western jiujitsu school. Now that my instructor no longer teaches, he just trains with his other black belt with full pads on and high intensity. I join them every once in a while. You need safeguards with new students of course, but that's what the training should have been all along IMO. I still learned a lot from him (plus he's a really good friend) including things that are serving me well since I branched off and started training BJJ.
     

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