What is this strike called???

Discussion in 'General Martial Arts Discussion' started by nicosp, Jan 10, 2016.

  1. Ben Gash CLF

    Ben Gash CLF Valued Member

    If you do it right most of the movement is after you've hit them.
     
  2. David Harrison

    David Harrison MAPper without portfolio

    1. It's good for rolling over a parry, particularly from a parried straight.
    2. It completely exposes the ribs.
    3. I find it works better as a counter than an opening move, for the reasons stated above.

    It's one of those funny strikes that feels like it wouldn't do much, until you start hitting pads with it. There is a knack to getting the body behind though.

    It doesn't really matter if you're wearing MMA gloves. If you're doing it bare-handed you want to impact with the knuckles.
     
  3. Ben Gash CLF

    Ben Gash CLF Valued Member

    Following on from David, I think the reason you see a lot more of these more old fashioned punches in MMA than boxing is the gloves. The webspace padding on modern gloves really dulls this punch, and leaves less gaps in the guard.
     
  4. David Harrison

    David Harrison MAPper without portfolio

    By the way, my post above was about this punch, not the one in the OP video.

    I presumed nicosp was talking about this kind of thing (I believe it's called the "Russian hook"?):
     

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  5. Smitfire

    Smitfire Cactus Schlong

    Casting punch?
     
  6. nicosp

    nicosp New Member

    This is the punch I had in mind. Apparently it can also be called a casting punch.

    [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JISgLclfX3c"]How to throw the Fedor Punch AKA Sambo's casting punch - YouTube[/ame]
     
  7. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    I teach something very proximate called "gypsy hook" (named after the BKB circuit) - I tend to front hand it though

    Pete throws it similarly here

    [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_6ta5TCQVs"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_6ta5TCQVs[/ame]

    The primary advantage as I teach it is a barrage of rapid fire shots.
     
  8. David Harrison

    David Harrison MAPper without portfolio

    Same here. It obviously works for some people, but I don't like the idea of lunging in with the ribs exposed like in the Sambo video above.

    For me, it's not a primary tool, more of a sneaky trick for sparring and fun. The biggest plus of it is how you can loop it around following another strike, allowing you to attack the same side twice in succession, which is tricky to block.

    PS. I just call it an inverted backfist, because if you take a backfist and turn it upside down, that's what you get.
     
    Last edited: Jan 11, 2016
  9. Ben Gash CLF

    Ben Gash CLF Valued Member

    I throw it with either hand, it's a major part of my toolbox.
     
  10. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    Double/triple gypsy hooks I name "the barrage" :)
     
  11. David Harrison

    David Harrison MAPper without portfolio

    In what ways would you use it? Do you lunge in with the rear hand like in the Sambo video?
     
  12. Ben Gash CLF

    Ben Gash CLF Valued Member

    No, offensively I tend to use it as the second or third punch, often when I'm in contact with them with my other hand.
    Otherwise it's for counter punching or for attack by drawing (Erik Paulson shows some really good ABD approches for it).
     
  13. David Harrison

    David Harrison MAPper without portfolio

    Do you have a link for that?
     
  14. Ben Gash CLF

    Ben Gash CLF Valued Member

    Not really, but
    [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4zNNbNLLiI"]STXKICKBOXING Level 4 Sample - YouTube[/ame]
     
  15. Ben Gash CLF

    Ben Gash CLF Valued Member

    I forgot, there's a whole ABD section on this one [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7SdpfJ0ICk"]Erik Paulson's CSW 2005 Camp Volume 1 - YouTube[/ame]
     
  16. David Harrison

    David Harrison MAPper without portfolio

    Nothing with the punch we're talking about though?

    Where did you see him demonstrating it? Do/did you train with him?
     
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  18. Ben Gash CLF

    Ben Gash CLF Valued Member

    Yeah I've trained with him several times. Erik loves an unorthodox punch in the mix, long hooks, inverted straights, Cuban and Japanese uppercuts. Any wide hook or overhand entry will work for this punch though.
     
  19. Smitfire

    Smitfire Cactus Schlong

    Come on share the love...what are these puppies and what do they look like?
     
  20. Ben Gash CLF

    Ben Gash CLF Valued Member

    Cuban uppercut is with the thumb side of the fist, Japanese is like an upwards Wing Chun punch.
     

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