Weight Training for School-Age

Discussion in 'Health and Fitness' started by belltoller, Dec 3, 2015.

  1. Mangosteen

    Mangosteen Hold strong not

    I wasn't meaning to put you down. sorry if you felt like that.

    It was really just answer to you asking "no plyometrics?"

    People (in the uk at least) have jumped on the polymeric train when in reality, plyometrics are a specialised training method to be programmed into a specific pre competition cycle.

    apologies if it seemed confrontational.
    ^ was something my mentors and coaches always said to me so i put it to you. you can answer most you own questions with some reading and repeatedly asking the above question.
     
    Last edited: Dec 9, 2015
  2. Bjjbrown

    Bjjbrown Valued Member

    All I was doing was giving you my opinion from a strength and conditioning student. I also meant no offence but I take training seriously.. Perhaps to seriously it seems
     
  3. Bjjbrown

    Bjjbrown Valued Member

    Deffo not of the opinion that only s and c specialists can coach. My biggest take home message is though athletes of all ages and abilities should be able to perform bodyweight versions perfectly before adding weight
     
  4. belltoller

    belltoller OffTopic MonstreOrdinaire Supporter

    No - no apologies necessary from either. I warn't being facetious when I said my vague understanding of plyometrics needs adjustment - I was being literal in my assesment as obviously I thought things such as burpees, squat jumping and the like fell into this category! :eek:


    I also know that there is a problem with people hearing of specialised training techniques and attempting to implement them without the necessary background, clinical training, etc., and I do have to self-check to make sure that I'm not in danger of doing that myself, given my total lack of background in exercise science/sport medicine.

    I know you've (Zaad) has spent a long time in study and Bjjbrown's working on his dissertations, so I did want your candid opinions regarding the matter but I did over-do it in saying you could voice disapproval if you were a mind to :p

    ---> I did think that I'd inadvertently came off as doing the very thing I'm trying to avoid so I wanted to make certain that it was understood that the person in question warn't a toddler or still in infant school but a boy who is athletic with good development but needs work on strength and explosiveness as he's entered competitive school wrestling and finds he is already 2 - and in many cases 3 - years behind his team mates.

    But I did sound defencive as hell the way it read - I can see that re-reading it! Not on you to apoligise but thank you, the same.
     
  5. Mangosteen

    Mangosteen Hold strong not

    Take a look at the definition of peak velocity height (PVH) in this link and look at the training stages. your son is likely between stage 2 and 3 so he should work on learning weight lifting (theres no danger in learning and he'll grow from from even a minor muscle stimulation even if you decide to keep the weights low)

    at this stage focus on a variety of lifting movements purely for the sake of variation rather than any set plan (do loads more stuff with him than just deadlifting, squatting, benching)

    You're son may just not be fast but it doesnt mean he cant get faster but definitely develop his endurance base as soon as possible.
    (Theres also a genetic basis for a lack of speed due to ethnicity but it may not apply)

    my cousn is a 13 year old girl, she weighs the same as your son and deadlifts 50kg for 10 reps - she has decent coaching and has made slow progress over a year but its still progress. she learnt good form early and kids are very receptive
     
  6. belltoller

    belltoller OffTopic MonstreOrdinaire Supporter

    Anglo-Han

    How is her training being done? Family member, CPT? Was there a particular plan that they went by?
     
  7. flaming

    flaming Valued Member

    I haven't read the thread but most wrestlers and people that do sambo are very good at neck bridges.

    This guy has some good training videos -

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    I don't know why the neck training is important I have never tried much wrestling, I did some in my kung fu classes. I remember it made me very out of breath; but the people I was wrestling where much bigger. Pushing a car would also probably be good to build some strength endurance that would be transferable.
     
  8. Fish Of Doom

    Fish Of Doom Will : Mind : Motion Supporter

    neck training is important because it prevents your neck from getting broken :p
     
  9. belltoller

    belltoller OffTopic MonstreOrdinaire Supporter

    My son could relate to that. He'd been wrestling all of 3 weeks and hadn't had a match yet till last weekend. Usually, the youngest and those with little experience do their first tournament matches in the beginner's tournaments but his school was also slated to wrestle in the Duals Meet - an 8 team meet from around the region and the teams were manning the slots with some of their best.

    I guess his school team was short so instead of going to the beginner's as he would normally do on his first match, they tapped him for the Duals meet.

    At 11 yrs and 130lb, he was already the youngest and smallest in his weight class and when he didn't go down to 128 the way he was supposed to, they had to wrestle him up yet another weight class, lol.

    He had seven or eight matches that day. Each successive opponent was bigger, faster and stronger than the proceeding one.

    They showed him where his neck was and what it was for. :evil:
     

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