i've had a great experience with the Villari's version of Shaolinkempo. it gave me a strong background in martial arts. if i was still w/ his version of shaolinkempo, i'd be a 2nd or 3rd degree black belt by now b4 quitting. i had to quit due to the fact that i moved to northern CA from ME. i had started my 5th year, summer of 2000; and i was at my 2nd degree brown belt b4 i quit. i did talk to the brothers in Poway (only because i'll be at San Diego State in the fall) and they sounded like a good shot for me. but i don't know if i'm going to sign up w/ them bcuz of my exposure to Sheng Hun Kung Fu. i'm being trained a lot more and a lot more effeciently w/ it.