UFC 94 Machida vs silva

Discussion in 'Fight Discussions' started by Llamageddon, Jan 28, 2009.

  1. Llamageddon

    Llamageddon MAP's weird cousin Supporter

    I know sod all about MMA really (which is why I've put this in general), but you can guess why I'm a Machida fan. I've decided this is going to be an awesome fight, not least because of the stats

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    Anyone have any expert opinion?
     
  2. Patrick_baji

    Patrick_baji Valued Member

    machida by decision. he's just too elusive
     
  3. callsignfuzzy

    callsignfuzzy Is not a number!

    Haha... my friend who's getting his Masters in English actually pointed out to me that "evasive" would be a more correct term. To which I promptly told him to shut up, he was spoiling the fight.

    Silva is probably better on the ground; Machida seems to use his ground skills defensively unless he completely outclasses the guy. And Silva has more power. The thing is that he's agressive and sloppy, which means that he'll probably play right into Machida's hands. Machida also has good enough takedown defense so that the ground probably won't be an issue. I'm picking Machida by UD (unanimous decission, for the newbs).
     
  4. MacWombat

    MacWombat Valued Member

    I agree completely, Machida by UD.

    On the other hand, I'd be more surprised if Machida won by knockout or submission than if Silva did.
     
  5. aaron_mag

    aaron_mag New Member Supporter

    I don't have an 'expert' opinion...

    But Machida by TKO is my bet. Late in 2nd round.

    Machida is probably one of my favorites...
     
  6. Smitfire

    Smitfire Cactus Schlong

    Man Machida really divides people. He's like marmite it seems. :)
    I've not seen enough of either to call it but an aggressive and sloppy fighter up against a renowned evasive and technical counter striker seems a win for Machida a likely outcome.
     
  7. Axelator

    Axelator Not called Alex.

    Machida by UD in my opinion. Yet I hope he doesn't because last time I saw him fight against Tito it was possibly one of the worst "fights" ever. It was so bad I ended up supporting tito.
     
  8. Kwan Jang

    Kwan Jang Valued Member

    An evasive technician like Machida should take this, but only if he can control the setpoint. If he does this, it's his fight to win or lose. However, if he gets sloppy or makes a big mistake, he can easily give this one away.
     
  9. callsignfuzzy

    callsignfuzzy Is not a number!

    I'm not trying to be smart here, but couldn't that be said about any fighter? I mean you're basically saying, "If he controls the fight, he'll win; if he makes a mistake, he'll lose." I mean that's true, but it's been true of just about every fight I've ever seen.
     
  10. MacWombat

    MacWombat Valued Member

    I actually really enjoyed that fight (as far as I can remember). I don't want every fight to be like a machida fight, but I find having him fight on a card adds diversity in the way of seeing a really technical striker who does some uncommon moves (like his punch trip against soko).
     
  11. aaron_mag

    aaron_mag New Member Supporter

    Dang. I predicted tko, but I expected it to at least go to the 2nd. I also enjoyed the Tito fight. Machida is fun to watch, imho.
     
  12. Kwan Jang

    Kwan Jang Valued Member

    Callsignfuzzy,
    The majority of fighters in my experience do very little to actively and deliberately work on setpoint control in a fight and only a small percentage are very good at it. Most either control the fight by their superior attributes or by default. Machida is one of the fighters who have put a priority on this and has spent a lot of time, effort, and energy at mastering this. Even so, you have to be on your "A"-game with such tactics and when fighting an opponent with great striking power, a slip up can cost you the fight. A great example of that is Randy Couture's loss to Brock Lesnar. I've never seen Randy nearly as good at setpoint control as Machida, but it was evident that he had put a lot of work into it for his victory over Tim Sylvia. It was also just as obvious that he hadn't put as much time and energy into setpoint control against Lesnar.
     
  13. MacWombat

    MacWombat Valued Member

    SPOILERS








    Well I was right but for slightly the wrong reasons. Machida's TKO (or was it a KO) was the only finish of the main card, slightly ironic.
     
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  14. Infrazael

    Infrazael Banned Banned

    It was a full on KO.

    Thiago was OUT!!!!!!!!!
     
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  15. callsignfuzzy

    callsignfuzzy Is not a number!

    Jesus, people, after every event. Let's try this one more time:

    Use spoiler tags if your post reveals the outcome of a match/event until 24 hours after the event!

    Read the stickies on spoilers if you need a reminder.
     
  16. Pacificshore

    Pacificshore Hit n RUN!

    Machida v Silva

    Best fight of the night next to the main event ;)
     
  17. aaron_mag

    aaron_mag New Member Supporter

    Interesting quote from the Sherdog main page (article UFC 94 Analysis: On Prominence and Possibility):

    I'm surprised he doesn't have this huge karate fan base? I rarely see posts about him in the karate forum of this site. Here is a guy who is, almost single-handedly, making people take a second look at shotokan (and by extention shotokan descendents like ITF TKD) and yet he gets little discussion or praise by practitioners of that art. Very strange.
     
  18. Fish Of Doom

    Fish Of Doom Will : Mind : Motion Supporter

    well, i've seen him get bashed by a local high ranking karateka (and a very good one, btw, and shotokan, no less), basically because he views MMA not exactly as thuggish, but as a futile exercise in hurting each other. go figure.

    he doesn't have a lot of karate following because most karatekas have their prejudices too :p
     
  19. MacWombat

    MacWombat Valued Member

    The portion of karatekas who actually like MMA is probably a small percentage of overall karatekas.

    Apparently, Machida still isn't getting a title shot.
     
  20. aaron_mag

    aaron_mag New Member Supporter

    MacWombat and Fish of Doom-

    You guys are both right (and I've seen some of the same). But I still find it very, very, strange. I'd think the guy would have a fan base as big than anyone...but it isn't the case.
     

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