UFC 168: Weidman v Silva II

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  1. Mushroom

    Mushroom De-powered to come back better than before.

  2. ShadowHawk

    ShadowHawk Valued Member


    The Silva vs. Weid 3
  3. holyheadjch

    holyheadjch Valued Member

    More likely to be Silva vs. Belfort 2, IMHO.
  4. aaradia

    aaradia Choy Li Fut and Yang Tai Chi Chuan Student Moderator Supporter

    Disagree completely. Dude has given money and support ot multiple fighters with personel issues when he didn't have to on multiple occassions.

    He is a hothead though. He has since said nothing but nice things about GSP. Really, GSP didn't handle things that great either. He should have given White a heads up before that fight about what was in his head. White ovverreacted, but it was just a weird night.
  5. aaradia

    aaradia Choy Li Fut and Yang Tai Chi Chuan Student Moderator Supporter

    Last edited: Dec 31, 2013
  6. holyheadjch

    holyheadjch Valued Member

    I see an upper shin check. But that doesn't mean that Weidman wasn't aiming to go knee on shin.
  7. holyheadjch

    holyheadjch Valued Member

    He paid for that TUF 18 dudes medical expenses even though the hamstring injury happened before the site. He didn't need to do that.
  8. belltoller

    belltoller OffTopic MonstreOrdinaire Supporter

    Dana White reminds me so much of a fellow that I worked for when I was in the house remodeling business in late teens/early 20's.

    He could be spontaneously generous to a fault - recall him paying some medical bills of mine out of his pocket that he didn't need to.

    At the same time he could be the most miserly, pinchpenny scurvy there ever was. Recall him docking a worker two days vacation pay as the worker had wanted two days over his week allowance for his honeymoon. :rolleyes:

    Like White, he was an entrepreneurial type as well. These types are generally like this. They rule by personal fiat and emotional whim. Great at starting up businesses but terrible at managing the day to day, mundane things that are seen as trifling, but will eat away at a good concern if not managed properly. They are innovative but that is a double-edged sword as they also deplore the kind of standardization and regulation that employees need in order to have a dependable job year after year.

    A study in contrasts, they.
  9. LemonSloth

    LemonSloth Laugh and grow fat!

    Most the guys I've seen who "just" kick box/do muay thai or something similar tend to have tiny calves. Some of the karate guys I've seen who focus on light contact sparring with lots of bouncing tend to have pretty big calves though.

    Presumably it's a mix of cycling/weights or cycling/calf raises/any movement that puts a lot of pressure on the calves that does the trick. I have reasonably large calves and I don't bounce in the slight, though I do a huge amount of horse stance training and calf raises.

    I'm pretty sure that Weidman mentioned that he was aiming more for the knee than anything else.

    I've connected with the knee a few times and never had any problems personally, but in retrospect it probably was a pretty dumb thing to do.
  10. aaradia

    aaradia Choy Li Fut and Yang Tai Chi Chuan Student Moderator Supporter

    Found this on youtube.

    Ronda Rousey reacting to the leg break. Pretty similar to my reaction.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEDe8OGdBjo"]Ronda Rousey's Corner Reaction to Anderson Silva's UFC 168 Leg Break - YouTube[/ame]
  11. Southpaw535

    Southpaw535 Well-Known Member Moderator Supporter

    When Ronda Rousey is reacting to a break you know its bad :p
  12. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    I've seen worse....

  13. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    Master Ken has advice should this happen again.....

  14. Combat Sports

    Combat Sports Formerly What Works

    So you lose one round...

    So people were speculating on who was going to win the fight minus the leg breaking, and people keep talking about Weidman dominating the first round. I guess this is a somewhat valid point, but it would not be the first (or even the hundreth or thousandth) time that an MMA fighter could of won the first round and then gotten demolished in the second round or even the third round. Losing one round doesn't mean anything.

    Miesha Tate dominated the fight in the first round with Zingano too, she didn't somehow automatically win the next two rounds. A lot can happen in that time.
  15. belltoller

    belltoller OffTopic MonstreOrdinaire Supporter

    Silva, particularly known to pull a rabbit out of his hat in later rounds (thinking of Sonnen)
  16. holyheadjch

    holyheadjch Valued Member

    If it was anyone else I'd agree that the first round made things look bad for Silva, but it has almost become a trademark. It was even remarked upon during commentary in the first round that Silva often gets taken down easily in the first round then goes on to dominate in the remainder of the fight.
  17. aaradia

    aaradia Choy Li Fut and Yang Tai Chi Chuan Student Moderator Supporter

    I think it is unfair to downplay Wiedman winning two fights against arguably the GOAT like this.

    If doesn't matter. What matters is that those "if" of later rounds didn't happen. Particularly in the first fight, but somewhat in both.

    Sonnen and others lost because they couldn't get the finish in the first couple of rounds, giving Silva the chance to come back like he has so many times.

    "Woulda, shoulda, coulda" did NOT happen in either fight.

    But he was not given the chance because he got finished.

    Give Wiedman some credit!
  18. Pretty In Pink

    Pretty In Pink Moved on MAP 2017 Gold Award

    There is absolutely no point in speculating the "if he hadn't broken his leg".

    I think that's disrespectful to Weidman. I mean, if we're talking like "if this or that hadn't happened", then I would like to start with "Well, in the first fight, if Anderson Silva WASN'T knocked out cold....."

    It's a bit ridiculous.
  19. aaradia

    aaradia Choy Li Fut and Yang Tai Chi Chuan Student Moderator Supporter

    I see this weird double standard on the Internet when talking about fights.

    On one hand, GSP. Dominick Cruz and others get discounted if they don't finish their opponent and it goes to decision.

    However, if someone finishes their opponent, they sometimes get discounted with "if they weren't finished...." and the "finish was a fluke."

    Example: "GSP never finishes anyone- so he isn't great." But JDS only KO'd, Velasquez -it was a fluke while Cain dominated in the second fight to a decision."

    It is a double standard and I don't get it.
  20. holyheadjch

    holyheadjch Valued Member

    Weidman finished the first fight, but not the second. He won both fights - that is now in the history books, but what 'what if...' questions are too. He's going to have to come to terms with that, particularly if there isn't a third fight.

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