I just thought I'd post a true story about one of those 2 hour RBSD courses. Around 4 years ago, an email went around my work place about a 2 hour womens self defense course. The email contained the magical word "black belt" regarding the instructor. Anyhow, around 8 middle class women who clearly had never been in alteraction (or quite possibly never even seen one) went on the course. The next day this women (lets call her P) started telling how she could now defend herself "against any man". Another workmate (call him R) I've mine started moking her. Now, I got off my computer and worked over to them "yes R, if you don't stop she'll give you a tremendous beating" and said "I believe you P, I think you're just like Mike Tyson". She gave me a look of disgust. Me: "No, I think you are. If R sneaks up to you and hits you in the teeth with a hammer, first you'll laugh for such a pathetic attempt to take you out, then you'll destroy him". Then I said "but seriously, word it work against Mike Tyson?" - it then turned into being able to defend herself against any ordinary man. I then asked about above ordinary men, it then turned into most men, excluding highly trained men. I then guessed her weight at 60kg (132 pounds), this offended her as she said she was only 48 kg (106 pounds), I then said "so you dainty, but also extremely powerful", then she said that strength doesn't matter. At this point logic wasn't going anywhere, so I said "am I an ordinary man". And she said "yes". I replied with "why do you want to defend yourself against an ordinary man?" P: "Because I don't want to get raped". Me:"So you're calling me a rapist". P: "No, but if you were". Me:"Well let's show us your moves karate kid". P:"I don't want to hurt you". Me:"I''ll be ok". So then I get told to position behind her and put my arms around her so can should throw me. First attempt, I pull my arm away, I'm told that I'm cheating. Me:"There are no rules in real life, ok I won't pull my arms away", then whilst she's trying to throw me I pinch her left ear. Now the 3rd time I let her try and throw me, after about 20 seconds I push onto the ground. Then she says how much rougher she'll be in real life. I say, go on knee me in the groin. So she throws a set of pathetic knees which I easily block. I then say "give up, you can't even compete against an untrained, unfit, underweight 72kg guy, how are you going to go against a trained heavy weight?". Even then she was still in denial, I think after a few days logic kicked in and she realised she'd been had. How gulligle are some people to believing you can get the earth for a penny? PS. I have some magic beans to sell if anybody is interesed?