TooL! check it out!

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  1. BoxBabaX

    BoxBabaX H+F Baba ^^

    Aight who in this forum likes TOOL?

    I find them to be one of the greatest bands of all time,

    my #1 favorite song has to be Reflection.
     
  2. YODA

    YODA The Woofing Admin Supporter

    GojuKjoe will be along shortly :D
     
  3. Sever

    Sever Valued Member

    I'm quite into Tool. I've seen them a couple of times and saw Maynard with A Perfect Circle when they supported Nine Inch Nails.
     
  4. GojuKJoe

    GojuKJoe Valued Member

    You must be psychic or something, how on earth did you guess???

    I've never been to a concert yet, but they are amazing. My favourite song is probably Latelarus, but it varies.
     
  5. YODA

    YODA The Woofing Admin Supporter

    It's a Jedi mind trick :D
     
  6. GojuKJoe

    GojuKJoe Valued Member

    I bet that comes in handy a lot

    "You want to buy me that bottle of whiskey, because I am your friend"

    "Yes, I want to buy you this whiskey, because you are my friend"
     
  7. YODA

    YODA The Woofing Admin Supporter

    *Whistles innocently :Angel:
     
  8. BoxBabaX

    BoxBabaX H+F Baba ^^

    hey hey, wheres the tool talk ^^?
    :D :D
     
  9. GojuKJoe

    GojuKJoe Valued Member

    yeah, YODA, you took the thread off topic.....

    BoxBabaX, which version of push it do you like best?
     
  10. BoxBabaX

    BoxBabaX H+F Baba ^^

    haha, :Angel:

    LIVE VERSION! the one on salival :D, thats the best stuff right there.

    dont get me wrong though, the album version on aenima is badass too ^^

    what are ure fav songs?



    o btw, i hope yoda didnt run away :p, i wanted to ask you something yoda.
    Check ure boxing tips thread, i wrote a response on it, hopefully u can gimme some feedback ^^. Thanx :D
     
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  11. Infrazael

    Infrazael Banned Banned

    *sniff*

    HOW COULD YOU FORGET ME YODA!!!

    *sniff*

    :rolleyes:

    Yep, TooL, i think THE greatest band of all time, yep, my favorite song is Sober, yep, they're amazing, yep. . . . . . . . .

    I'm getting SALIVAL!!!
     
  12. BoxBabaX

    BoxBabaX H+F Baba ^^

    !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    YOU DONT HAVE YET!!!!! :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
    gogo get :D

    its hard to get a hold of a copy of it nowadays (a REAL copy)
    i hate the way they made them such limited stock. i guess they didnt realize that people would still be listening to there stuff.

    i hear info about a new album coming out, next year? anyone know anything about this?
     
  13. GojuKJoe

    GojuKJoe Valued Member

    I haven't been able to find salival either. To answer your question, I'll name 5 songs that I'm listening to most at the moment, but I really can't pick a solid number, it varies too much.

    Stinkfist, Push it, Latelarus, Ticks and Leeches and H. Wow, it was really hard to pick just those 5. I've known about the new album for a while now, but I've heard nothing of a release date, only that they're not going to release it for a few months yet. I can't wait. I also heard a rumour about a new dvd, from the Latelarus tour, but it's just speculation at the minute.
     
  14. BoxBabaX

    BoxBabaX H+F Baba ^^

    picking a favorite tool song is difficult indeed. Yeah ive been listening to Tool for a while now, so i actually bought a copy of Salival (with the DVD and all the goodies) when it came out, pretty awesome cd i must say. The live versions of the songs are badass, Push it live, part of me live, third eye live, You lied live, merkaba, no quarter, and the others, they are all awesome.

    Reflection just happens to be my favorite song, even though i could say the same about all the tool songs, this one seems to win it for me.
     
  15. MerKaBa

    MerKaBa Valued Member

    If you can't tell by my avatar and screename I'm a Tool freak, mainly because I share so many veiws with the band, but the amazing music has a lot to do with it also :D Though I loved Maynard's acting in the crappy B movies he's been in... they're so horrible they're GREAT!

    My favorite song would have to be H. or the live version of Pushit on Salival. I think Salival is my favorite album, but all of them are amazing.


    Anyway, I've been a huge Tool fan for a long time. I even did a report on Lacromology for my health teacher back in High School, and I can't wait for the new album... I had a link to a webcast about it... I'll see if I can dig it up for you guys it's hilarious!
     
  16. MerKaBa

    MerKaBa Valued Member

    Here it is for those who haven't seen it yet, Tool Webcast Interview.
    Some of the old ones are funnier, but this one is about the new album. I'll see if I can dig up some of old maynard and Tool interviews... they're always classic :D


    And that DVD you heard rumors about was supposed to be released Last February. I heard about it over a year ago, but there were complications of some kind... I also heard pretty recently that it will be released this winter instead, but I wouldn't get my hopes up :rolleyes:


    Glad to see some fellow Tools here :)
     
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  17. BoxBabaX

    BoxBabaX H+F Baba ^^

    yea yea!

    hahahaha nice posts merkaba ^^ :D

    ima check out that tool webcast interview :)

    funny that you mention it actually.... I also wrote a paper on Tool, a 5 page "album review", i pretty much told the teacher that he needs to listen to TooL(the review was on the Lateralus album), and why hehe :D

    Ok, from a lyrical aspect, (even though we all know Tool songs are unique, since different people can get different things from them) what do u guys thing is the best tool song, from a LYRICAL aspect~~

    I realized this is probably why reflection is my favorite Tool song :p

    Has anyone gone out of there way to explore the "gift" in lateralus, as maynard put it. There is something special about that album ;), im just curious if anyone knows about it, i wont say it yet- but i had a nice link explaining the whole thing if anyone is interested ^^, ima try and find the link, since it would probably do a better job than me. I kinda figured it out alone, but its pretty insane.
     
  18. MerKaBa

    MerKaBa Valued Member


    It would still be the same 2 songs fror me, H. and Live Pushit, but I also have to mention Lateralis.

    H. for obvious reasons. Those lyrics relate to my life as no others do.

    Pushit is one of the many Tool songs that can be about basically anything that you want it to be. It emits more of a feeling then a point. The lyrics are flawless.

    Lateralis is the most complex song ever written in my opinion. Tool is quite simply Brilliant to have made this song the way they did. The beat and lyrics follow the Fibonachi Sequence (1,2,3,5,8,13,etc.). This is the sequence found everywhere in Nature and when charted will make a spiral (Golden/Fibonachi Spiral), you may know it from the movie "Pi". Anyway Apparently putting this sequence into vibrational patterns has some kind of physiological effect on us, see what I wrote down there V


    Well, I'm not sure if we're reffering to the same thing, but when Lateralus first came out and I was listentening to the song Lateralis I just started moving to the rythm with my body and all of my emotion like the song suggested, and then I started breathing really heavy and uncontrollably; literally the rythm took controll over me and I felt copius amounts of energy flowing through my body like a whirlwind. I literally was able to feel the rythm, step outside, and weep like a widow; it was glorious (It's something you really have to experience for yourself; it cannot be explained). I shared this experience with all of my friends and since then we've all had several experiences similar to that. As far as we know that is "Riding the Spiral", and I don't care if you guys think I'm a wacko, you should try it sometime ;) Though in order for it to work you can't just move your physical body to the rythm you must feel it with all your emotion and clear your mind.
     
    Last edited: Dec 15, 2004
  19. BoxBabaX

    BoxBabaX H+F Baba ^^


    Ive actually had a similar sort of experience with lateralus, very strange yet incredible feeling i get. I get something similar out of reflection, i just find it to be such a perfect song, the drumming and melody mixed with the lyrics. The fibbonaci sequence is kind of what i was refering to, see theres actually a diffrent order to the songs on the album as a whole, the key song in the album being lateralus which signals something through the lyrics, and schism sort of backs it up, refering to "puting the pieces together" since you kinda have to figure it out :p

    but enough of my talk, i found the stuff on that link i was looking for, but not the actual link, ima try and find it cuz it has some nice reponses too, but here is the actually content :

    "To me, Tool's Lateralus is the most amazing piece of music ever composed. I think Tool deliberately wanted to give their fans something truly amazing, but wanted them to find it on their own. "Recognize this as a holy gift..." At first, I thought that the song Lateralus was about tripping acid - discovering true color by seperating the body from the mind. At first listen, I imagined the bending envelope as an intense visual. After becoming more familiar with the track, however, I had reformed my interpretation to something broader: think deeper. Lateralus, perhaps because it is the album's "title track", serves as the central clue for a puzzle that a friend of mine had read about somewhere on the internet. "All I know is that there is a different order for the songs - something about two spirals. Oh yeah, and thirteen is in the middle." After scavenging through endless google search results, I gave up on finding more about this 'alternate order'. Intent to figure the album out, and very curious about the spirals - I put on the proverbial 'thinking cap'. I understood how the spirals could have a lot of significance, in that the album's title track offers the inspiring, "swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human..........And following our will and wind we may just go where no one's been. We'll ride the spiral to the end and may just go where no one's been." In my internet scavenging, I had read one review, written by a drummer, who mentioned that Danny Carey's drum beat formed a fibonacci sequence during the song Lateralus. A drummer myself, I decided to get out the graph paper and follow Danny. I can't play like he can, but at least I can hear everything he's doing, and thus was able to construct the drum tabulature. Sure enough, Danny repeats a Fibonacci sequence through the number 13: 1,1,2,3,5,8,13. After 13, he starts again with 1. Bringing in my Algebra 2 knowledge of the Fibonacci sequence, when the equation for the Fibonacci sequence (which I don't actually know) is graphed, it forms a sprial whose vertex depends on the number at which the sequence begins. Coincidence? I began to think not. I had already known of Danny's obsession with sacred geometry and am familiar with Bob Frissell's book, Nothing in This Book Is True, But It's Exactly How Things Are , so the significance of what I had stumbled upon had actually begun to settle in. This is where I just had to play with Lateralus. I had doodled a few spirals in the corners of my graph paper, and in doing so made the first important connection to Lateralus. I knew that if the tracks were in fact intended to be heard in a different order, "Parabol" and "Parabola" would have to go together. In drawing my spirals, I had begun with a vertex and 'spiraled' outwards. After writing the numbers 1 through 13 linearly, I could immediately see that Parabol and Parabola would have to be the middle of my spiral (in that 13 / 2 = 6.5). I drew a simple arrow between 6 and 7 and then pondered the next pair. At first, I actually drew a spiral connecting pairs of numbers whose sum equaled 13 (the number of songs on the album). This, however, left the last track in the same position and without anything to connect to. At this time, I had used my copy of Lateralus and Cool Edit Pro to take out the silences between tracks and put the songs in the following order: 6,7,5,8,4,9,3,10,2,11,1,12,13. The transition from Parabola into Schism blew my mind, as the plucks, probably dismissed by listeners as a drawn out rant of an ending, perfectly transition into the beginning of Schism. When you count out beats as the strings are plucked, Schism resumes with the same time signature and tempo - mirroring the progression of notes. The transition from Schism into Ticks & Leeches is equally intriguing. Schism ends with strong double-kick bass and tom smacks, and Ticks & Leeches begins with what many would call a 'tribal' drum beat. The beat at the very start of Ticks & Leeches is slightly different every subsequent time it is repeated - the measures are two beats longer. Yup - you guessed it - those two beats are ACTUALLY the last two beats of Schism. I can honestly say that I never understood the album's fourth track, Mantra until reordering the album's songs. What I had originally heard as whale calls now had begun to resemble the worst imaginable dry heaves - or a stylized choking. Fitting, seeing as how the last line in Ticks & Leeches is "I hope you choke." After this transition, none of those following it really seemed to make much sense. I certainly didn't like that Disposition and Reflection had been seperated - as they sound quite good when played sequentially on the album. This was the only real roadblock in my disciphering of the Holy Gift. Then I had remembered what my friend had told me - 13 was in the middle. At the time, probably just wanting to believe that there was more to this cd, I had equated this to the positioning of the song "Intermission" on the previous release, ├ćnema. For the song to be in the 'middle' of the album it would have to be the seventh track in sequence, here having six tracks on either side of it. So I inserted Faaip de Oiad after Lateralus, and almost peed my pants when I discovered that (ever-so-faintly) the fading tone of the last note of Lateralus could be heard in beginning of Faaip de Oiad, and how the distortion of the guitars at the tail end of Lateralus resembled, and later transitioned seamlessly into, the static at the beginning of Faaip de Oiad. The lyrics of Lateralus justify this break in the spiral, almost instructing: "spiral out, keep going, spiral out, keep going." I went back to Lateralus to find the next clue. In Danny Carey's amazingly competent Fibonacci sequence, he had stopped at 13 and gone back to 1. This is what I chose to do to finish the sequence. A second spiral was now constucted, and the order for the Holy Gift now became 6,7,5,8,4,9,13,1,12,2,11,3,10. Already many of you are probably fascinated at what I have revealed to you, but I can not even begin to tell you what this new order has opened up for me. The beauty of Lateralus is very, very fragile and has to be viewed with a very open mind. It can also be different when looked at from different points of view. Aside from the fact that the new order of the songs places them in an order where they flow together nicely - often ending and resuming on the same notes or within the same progression, and some times - in the case of Lateralus into Faaip de Oiad and The Grudge into Triad - even overlapping (though admittadly sound much better when actually electronically overlapped, this is kind of cheating. Consider this a hint, however, if you plan on doing this yourself), the two spirals help to tell a story that every Tool fan should hear. In the interest of not boring the only casually intrigued, I will try to keep this very brief. I would also recommend familiarizing yourselves with Frissell's book (yeah - the one I mentioned earlier). I consider Parabol and Parabola to be quite expository. Maynard wants us to know that no matter what happens, we must all know that this is not our only existance. Our very minds and the contents of our subconscious are intended to be immortal, and if we accept this into our lives (be it because of personal or religious reasons), it will be so. As such, pain is an illusion. At first, I called it "The Lateralus Prophecy" (for reasons you will soon understand), but I have since decided to call the 'reordered' version of Lateralus "The Holy Gift". As Maynard says, "Recognize this as a holy gift and celebrate this chance to be alive and breathing," I take the word "this" to mean much more than just his simple cautioning. Since Parabola is the second track of the Holy Gift, it can be considered at the beginning (esp. considering the context of it's duality with Parabol), and as such, I interpret Maynard's words as more than just clever lyrics in a song. They are a plead for his listeners to listen to everything he has to say and truly celebrate the chance of immortality offered throughout. I would be lying if I said that each song has a specific translation. On the contrary, Tool's music is designed to make you think, not say something specific. It must be treated like great literature - much is hidden contextually. I will elude to Geometric-Drumming's previous post, where he explains the time signatures of Schism: "It represents the title...it's arranged in 12/8 time which is SPLIT into 5/8 and 7/8 - which only really FITS as you PUT THE PIECES BACK TOGETHER." Where Geometric-Drumming claims Schism as his favorite Tool song, I have heard some fans say that it was a retched pick for the album's only single - but I think it was brilliant. Not to downplay the interpretations of those who have posted before me (in fact, I agree with much of what %BlueSoulRobot% has to say), but I think that to the casual listener who knows nothing of Tool, it can be a powerful invitation. Think about it - a lot of dingbats with MTV and a radio would walk around with the words "I know the pieces fit" in their heads. I wonder how many of them took the time to put the pieces back together to (re)discover what is trying to be communicated. I welcome any feedback. I would love to share interpretations of the songs via email - just too lengthy to post here. I would like to offer the following advice: DO NOT use MP3s to digitally reorder Lateralus. A lot of VERY IMPORTANT information is encoded on the actual cd. Ever notice how everyone who has lost or broken that cd has IMMEDIATELY gone out and bought a new copy? I know I have. It's because there are things encoded on the factory pressing of the cd that are lost in the mp3 compression process and any direct copy onto a cd-r. If you want to do it, do it right - I can't stress how important this is. Use the cda tracks as you put it together and maintain all audio fidelity using professional mixing software.
    There's a Fibonacci in Maynard's lyrics, specifically the syllables:
    black [1]
    then [1]
    white are [2]
    all I see [3]
    in my infancy [5]
    red and yellow then came to be [8]
    reaching out to me [5]
    lets me see [3]
    there is [2]
    so [1]
    much [1]
    more and [2]
    beckons me [3]
    to look through to these [5]
    infinite possibilities [8]
    as below so above and beyond I imagine [13]
    drawn outside the lines of reason [8]
    push the envelope [5]
    watch it bend [3]
    I suppose it's not actually a true Fibonacci, since it does reverse itself.
    the Fibonacci Sequence. It's basically a string of numbers that when you add a number to the number before it, you get the next number. Starting with the numbers 0 and 1. 0+1=1, so the set now looks like this; 0 1 1. You take the 1 and add the previous number (1) and you get 2. The sequence looks like this; 0 1 1 2. Now you take the 2 and add the previous number and get 3. Now you have 0 1 1 2 3. When you add the 3 and the 2 you get 5. 0 1 2 3 5. 5+3=8. 0 1 1 2 3 5 8. The process continues."

    ^^ pretty fascinating if u take the time to read it. :D
     
  20. Sever

    Sever Valued Member

    Flipping heck, that's some analysis! :)
    From a lyrical standpoint, I think Tool are a great band. "Sober" probably had the most impact on me lyrically, maybe because it's one of their less esoteric tracks.
     

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