We are talking about TKD though. The responses have been the usual '' TKD has all that'' which is a misinterpretation of the depth of knowledge of all those areas. MT people do not say they have groundfighting.. a boxer does not say he has kicks...If they did I would makethe same points to them. The thing about having no time is just an excuse. If TKD wants to suggest it has everything then it is open to scrutiny if it just looks like a bodge job. High grades need to just go and learn and put their egos aside and get beat again and be beginners. Those that dont ,bodge it together and make excuses IMO. The real issue is an unwillingnesss to lose IMO.