Now, maybe. Not wise to do so. Bringing it up here. I am stating that, as an indie there is a seminar which will include I believe at this point 10 independent systems. Not all "Ninjutsu" however. Being held in Bethlehem PA end of Aug. 65.00 includes all food and seminar. I know that there is little respect if any for any of the people there. But some have been mentioned here and it would be a hands on opp to see them and or feel their technique. I have trained with a number of them. So, I'm biased and according to a number not educated enough to have an opinion. But this is a good invite opportunity. I have not been to this seminar in a number of years now. I have taken a pretty serious backseat to any of this. I maintain 4 students only in my basement. When my deal is done with them. My path is complete in my current state. However I have been asked to come do something this year and attend. If you are interested please let me know I'll forward the info. but if you do, please come with an open mind not spears.