In Defense of Silat-Bogor mailinglist Firstly I would like to congratulate Ray for studying behind the petrol-pump in Grogol. Secondly I would like to defend the silat-bogor mailinglist and what they have done and what they aspire to do. Traditional silat IS in danger of dying in Indonesia, because it is hard to find. What you find in a lot of villages now is modernist silat, for example, in Madiun area, you find Setia Hati silat, Kera Sakti silat, which are all 'modernist' in the sense that they are organizations in a modern sense, with hundreds of thousands of members recruited through mechanisms not unlike multy-level-marketing. The silatbogor crowd have identified and brought to attention several Betawi silats plus Padang and Sunda silats, and the result is that interested people have been able to study with the masters without having to search for them, and also, the masters get really committed and interested students. No large sums of money have changed hands at all. There is a real fear, or concern, that the West is positioning itself as the legitimate source of silat knowledge. For instance there were claims that Mustika Kwitang's guru besar resided in the US - these claims were dropped when the Kwitang gurubesar issued an invitation to fight to the US guru besar wannabe of Mustika Kwitang. But till now, the best Cimande according to internet research would be in California, developed by a Californian. Claims like this are one reason why many Indonesians are concerned, hurt, angry even. And the way the silatbogor crowd are documenting the traditional silats they know of is a great asset in many ways. For our national honour, at least the bringing forth of the traditional gurus are useful to debunk the ridiculous claims from the West. There are unscrupolous bule out there capitalizing on Indonesian culture and members of silatbogor mailinglist are helping to curb this colonial, manipulative, attitude, on one hand, while making the traditional silat more accessable to all, Indonesians and bules, on the other hand. There are many traditional silat styles that most Indonesian silat lovers only knew of by name, untill silatbogor mailinglist began to document them, search them out, visit the teachers and bring them to the public's attention. Eko Hadi has been instrumental in making Koran Tempo, a respected daily here, have a traditional silat page every Sunday edition. I fully support what the silatbogor malinglist people are doing. As for IPSI homogenizing silat, the activities of silatbogor mailinglist are the opposite, by bringing forth traditional silat and their teachers, they are ensuring that the old diversity will always be there, giving birth to even more diversity. Salam hangat, Bram.