The Technique Thread

In the first vid, is completely doable, but has to be quite dynamic. I usually use it from a clinch and the person is reversing. Essentially you are slapping the back of the knees and driving your head/shoulders into the body.
Their feet has to be quite parrallel to each other as well (doesnt work if one leg is posted further back)

Another TD you can do without the knee dropping on the ground is what I call (and most of the Pro-Wrestling community) is "The Spear".
Essentially its like a running Rugby Tackle. Hit hard and fast enough, the person could either fall straight on their back or you end up lifting the person and it becomes a Double Leg high lift.

 

If you can't get both of your opponent's legs, you will not use "double legs". You will use "single leg" instead. Get both if you can, otherwise, get one first and then get the other afterward.

 

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgZbe-BHIs0"]Catch as catch can wrestling - Kristijan Simeunovic.mp4 - YouTube[/ame]

I like the head lock ground control. That's my favor move in ground game. I prefer a much safer "entering strategy" than the one used at 1.30.

 

Taken during actual drills and not posed so everything is a bit blurry and all over the place, so apologies for that.

Thip counter that I tend to use. Once again I am the kind of person (red vest) who likes to keep close and tend to have hands mid/low height, so this works very well for me.

I see the push kick coming and gauge distance.

As he is kicking with his left leg, I use my left hand to parry it away. Simultaneously shifting ever so slightly to my "2 o'clock"

With the kick redirected, the kicker's bodyweight lands forward and in a wide stance and his back is pretty much has his back to me.
I counter with a round low kick to his legs.
In an ideal World I would be going for his rear leg, resulting in a sweep. But I was a bit too far back so I ended up kicking the thigh of the front leg.

 

@mushroom: nice! that kick catch is actually in a karate kata (seipai), but instead of kicking you shoot in for a takedown and slam the guy into the ground.

@simon: if it stops raining i'll go up to the terrace and see about doing the four basic krotty kicks (front, roundhouse, side, back). it'll be a bit low-tech but i think it'll do

 

Slamming noted. Next human shaped hole in the ground will be dedicated to you.
( in a nice way )

 

You could also have kicked him in the pills.....just sayin :evil:

 

It may be a little crazy but I remember a Kyokushin Budo-kai technique that's a little similar.

You would let the kick come in and parry it but just before their kicking foot hit the ground you would sweep it with a low round-house kick.

The kick would often knock them off balance and pivot their body so that they were facing a complete 180 degrees away from you.... do it right and you don't even need to step forward because they will fall backwards into you, practically handing you the rear naked choke!

 

nice

although if you catch the kick, you could also do that with your hand as well (then again, back-up techniques = win). the one from seipai has you lunge in and try to control the nearest arm with your other hand, then sweep the support leg while nudging the upper body with your elbow. here's the "traditional" way of doing it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ch425QMrgak#t=76
and here's abernethy showing the same takedown but without a kick involved: [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGmxkLnlsK8"]Practical Kata Bunkai: Seipai Throw - YouTube[/ame]

@hannibal: like this? :evil:

 

ok, i tried to get some footage of the krotty kicks, but the wind didn't want me to, so i'll need to see if any of it is salvageable (both because it screwed with the mic and because it continuously knocked my cellphone to the ground), and even then i'll probably redo it because it ended up WAY too long-winded for how simple the kicks are, and i repeated a lot of stuff needlessly. i'm thinking of sorting through what i said and condensing the important bits into another video, that i'll try to film somewhere within the week, wind and rain willing.

 

Ooh we're getting all "realistic" up in here!:lowblow:

 

This is a great idea Simon. Glad you started this thread.

I have some concerns with the sequence of techniques that lead into your takedown. During ura gyaku you have your aggressor doubled over at the waist from elbow pressure with his head by his knees and with your weapon hip (right) far away from his capacity to reach for it. Then, when you transition into the figure four arm lock you enter his reaching range for his hand to touch your face and you pivot your weapon hip very close to his body as you're applying it. If I was losing an ura gyaku battle against a particularly strong opponent, I'd shove-kick the back of his closest knee or use my left hand (previously applying elbow pressure) to grab his head/ear and guide it into something durable and unforgiving or to move his head in a direction that compromised his balance. I would certainly avoid giving up positional dominance by taking his side or front if at all possible.

Was that an FMA or JKD technique you demoed?

 

I think this is more or less saying what I said about the technique. However I do think that it is important to remember that the technique was executed for the benefit of a video demonstration.

If I were in the position shown at the start of the technique I would most likely attack the leg. However - the uki could escape the arm bar at any point. If they slipped out of the technique earlier, most likely I would not have broken their balance forward, so it would make practical sense to go for the figure four.

I have seen this technique in a whole load of arts, e.g various forms of kungfu, kempo, jujitsu, wrestling, and medieval fight books. I suspect that the ubiquitous nature of this technique means that it does have something to offer.

I am interested in what you say about ear control, I was given to understand that ears were not so good as grip points as they can tare if pulled on with bodyweight.

 

Gambit - you make an excellent point about the weapon hip. In the UK we do not think about this so much as , as a rule, we do not carry weapons.

I think this is an excellent example of what others have mentioned in this thread. That the application of technique is heavily influenced by the circumstances that define any incident.

One cannot judge the effectiveness of a technique without taking into account the circumstances in which it is used.

 

You may teach a

- beginner student how to apply a technique.
- advance student how to set up a technique.

To me, the set up (entering strategy) sometime is more important than the technique itself. For example, if you depend on your speed for your leg shooting, you may take unnecessary risk than you truly have to. A wrestler may apply his leg shooting in one way in a pure grappling environment. He will need to modify his method when striking is allowed. The best "entering strategy" is the strategy that can reduce your risk to the minimum.

 

I'm not talking about the joint locking clip but the double legs clip at 1.32. To assume that your opponent's leading leg and arms is not going to do anything to you when you shoot in will not be realistic. This is a "pure" wrestling "double legs". It may work perfect in a pure wrestling environment. But to make it to work in a striking environment, something else will need to be added in.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgZbe-BHIs0"]Catch as catch can wrestling - Kristijan Simeunovic.mp4 - YouTube[/ame]