Discussion in 'General Martial Arts Discussion' started by MATT_LIQUID, Jun 22, 2003.
Don't forget that the short limbs of a kid will skew the bench result.
Man, forget this whole benching issue! It wasn't recorded, so it could all just be propaganda. Heck, the kids dad and another guy have already been exposed trying to cheat on a Guinness book of records trial. They were kicked out cause they tried to help the kid. Who cares what they're claiming??
What we want is PROOF from Nekogami who posted about this 20/20 interview!!
Where are the links or videos?
The proof is that his dad is in prison for it lol, you need any more proof than that, this kid is no more than an ugly juiced up freak, i feel sorry for him.
All I can find is this - and references to it:
ABC also has the interview in its video archive. You just have to be a member to watch it.
Scroll through the videos on the right to see it, if you're that interested.
A guy at my school legpressed 1770 pounds of weight like 10 times.
Now THAT was crazy to watch. . . . . . . . .
Anyways, if that kid is happy, cool. However, I do consider it child abuse to put your child on a mandatory diet???
OMG, my Sifu eats "junk" food. . . . .
And seriously, what is MA, a perfect body, etc etc if you're not wholly satisfied with life??? I'm not saying he isn't, but I do think it's a bit intense about that kid.
BTW, I read an article about him before. It said he was born with extra muscle mass, so it's all genetics. Whether this is true or not, I don't know, but it would make sense I guess. . . . . .
... not to mention there are questions as to the powdered drinks his dad would feed him possiblybeing steriods. One doctor said that it was physically impossible for anyone to build muscle like that without using steroids because boys don’t have enough testosterone in their bodies until they are 10 or 12.
Forget the baseball steroid scandal ...
The mother & father have since divorced I believe if I remember correctly from seeing the show....and supposedly he is not allowed to see his father. He has cut down the excessive training and learning to be an average 12 year old with friends his age that he was never able to have all his earlier childhood years.
Excellent! There is hope
It was actually a relief to see in the show, this kid lying about on the sofa with a bunch of other kids playing video games ... (like most normal boys do )
He showed the camera that he has a 6-pack and still love to martial art train as well.
Let's just hope his growth plates are intact :bang:
Thanks for the links.
End good, all good? Let's hope so.
I'm sorry, but that Doctor is a quack. I know Richard and have done performances with him. He is not massive by any stretch of the imagination. He had awesome definition, but you see that level of muscular development on elite gymnasts. Also, the level of commitment and discipline he showed was comparable to an elite gymnast.
Having seen some of the truth that has come out, I will not defend his father (Pavel), but to say that it's unhealthy or wrong to raise your child to eat well and to train him to stretch and exercise is ridiculous. Not doing these things is unhealthy, but common in today's society. I will be the first to admit his Dad went way to far and used questionable (at best) methods. Everything needs to be in balance and this was a case where it obviously was not. OTOH, I have been around true prodidgies, and the trade off for them has been worth it in many cases,even from there later perspective as adults. I believe a child does need the social and emotional growth, but I don't feel any kid really misses out on anything by not playing video games or watching TV.
I really feel I must say something in regards to the "enlightened poster" who so freely throws around the steroid accusasions. First, it should be remembered that before these substances were ever invented, guys like Paul Anderson set records (over a 1200 lbs squat) that still aren't even being touched over 50 years later. Also guys who were pre-steroids were breaking the (lean) 20" arm barrier back in a time when very few people lifted (less of a gene pool for genetic freaks) and they knew a LOT less about training and even less about nutrition. I don't take steroids and have over 20'" arms and squat over 800 lbs and bench near 600. I also get annoyed that goofballs who lack my genetics, discipline and work ethic will use the sour grapes approach and try to belittle everything I've accomplished.
There is a t-shirt sold on bodybuilding.com that I wish, as a business owner and community leader, I had the nerve to wear. It says: "No. I don't take steroids, but thanks for asking". Other than the damage I've seen people take over my years in the gym, two things bother me the most about steroids. 1)That being natural, I do have much greater fluctuations in strength and need to balance recovery and cycle my training more. So, guys who don't train anywhere near my level or have my discipline can nearly catch me on my low levels. :bang: 2)That no matter what I accomplish, some goofball is always going to try to cast a cloud over what I've worked hard to achieved. :woo:
OK, I'm done venting. Thank you everybody for tolerating my tirade. Long day.
Its pretty amazing.. a 10 year old kid can bench more than me..
Seems to me that most of what you have written in your post in directed towards me so let me clarify.
I was merely stating what was televised on the 20/20 show as a previous poster Moridinwas questioning the validityof this show.
Accusations of steroids is indeed under investigation as it should be considering the future of this boys health.
Lack of social development was truly noted on this show.... present day showed him playing video games with real live boys his own age... something he would never have been allowed to do by his dad.... train- train- train 24/7 was his rule. THAT.... is NOT healthy for anyone let alone a child... elite or not. Sorry .... my opinion duly stated.
Unfortunately steroids is a serious problem beginning with 12 year old children in middle school... it does need to be addressed unfortunately, even at the sake of casting doubts on the non-steroidal user.
No KC, you were not the one I was replying to. There was another poster who made comments that anyone doing even less than spectacular lifts "had" to be on steroids and this is what I felt was both idiotic and offensive. My tirade was against the attitude of "if anyone is ahead of me, it can't be because they either work harder, have more talent, or both". "Hey, toss me a beer".
I agree (and even stated) that Richard's life was out of balance and that IF his father was giving him steroids (though to be honest, in over two decades of being around the enviroment, I've never heard of anyone taking them via a blender), it could never be justified. I will argue though that a more balanced approach is far better than what most kids today are doing. And that if a child is not forced into such things (as Pavel seems to have done), but has the genuine interest and drive, then even though there are some trade offs, most of these kids are better off than wasting their time and potential as many "normal kids" do.
The reason I said the doctor is a "quack" is that 1)Richard never displayed more muscle mass than other elite athletes his age, espescially gymnasts. 2)Being a physician does not make one a specialist on the endocrine system and even if he was, he is still talking out of his rear, since he has neither examined Richard, nor done blood work. 3)There is quite a bit of research that shows the old ideas towards muscle growth for both seniors and children were wrong and that ther is a paradign shift in the current thinking towards this and what is the human potential.
What happens when Rich hits puberty? Will his body grow normally?
I more than agree with you on that! ....tossing KJ a beer
I do hope we hear more on the outcome of all this and whether or not Pavel (the dad) will have to answer for his mistreatment of his son. (It was duly noted that he on ocassion was abusive with both Richard and his mother)
Since I discovered this thread, I recorded THE WORLD'S STRONGEST BOY hour long documentary special from the Learning Channel. This show is apparently more thorough than anything else broadcast about Richard. He's now 13 years old. I also read about his and Lena's appearance on DR. PHIL. Now that we know that his father abused him, I feel sorry for him. I'm glad that someone who actually knows him had posted in this thread. By the way, who has his fitness DVD?
this entire situation sickens me.
No 2 year old Kid should be worrying about body fat ratio.
at 10 years old one should be collecting transformers or poke'mon.
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