I do apologise if this is the 100th thread you have had on sparring and ninjitsu. I have never been around the ninjutsu forum and so have not come across such threads and having used the search function I only came across a single VERY LONG thread about sparring. I would have revived that long dead one but it is Shinobi_Shau's points in particular I am interested in and as such I started a new thread to address specifically 'the limitations of sparring as opposed to alternative training practices'. Shinobi Shau suggested in the other thread that... I've highlighted the points in particular I disagree with but I already offered my views on points 1 and 2 in my reply on the other thread as such I would like to discuss point 3 in greater depth in particular how the rules of sparring make it less realistic than the rules of other training wherein (to my understanding-correct me if Im wrong) people are not resisting and not allowed to perform techniques of their chosing and/or do things that normal people do like fake punches and retract their arm after throwing punches. Anyway to kick off what hopefully will be a productive discussion... I do apologise it was rather late when I wrote that. I will not spell your username incorrectly again since you find it so annoying and are unable to focus on the actual topic when I do so. Interesting, I have a feeling you've been involved in some shoddy sparring but then I would actually be interested how you would respond to the issues I raised about: A) Not having experience of dealing with fakes. B) Not having experience of the effects of being hit. C) That the first time you will get to test what you've learnt against someone who resists will be in a real life situation. D) The fact that general training must also employ artifical rules which you contend are what makes sparring useless. So let me see... you talk about your vast sparring experience make some generalised and 'to me' very silly comments about the value of sparring and then try to blame someone else for replying to your comments about sparring? This is a DISCUSSION forum if you don't want your points discussed then I respectively suggest you should keep them in your head as opposed to posting them on a board. This would also seem to be the sensible option to take if you don't want sparring to become a topic. Writing the magic words 'to me' doesn't suddenly mean your opinion is unquestionable nor does it mean that people can't discuss what you've said. If you want to just state your opinions and not have any feedback on them then why not just post a web blog thing somewhere? We all have our opinions and we all share and discuss them here because thats the nature of a discussion board saying opinions are off limit for discussion because they are opinions seems to make a discussion forum rather pointless. Anyhow... To summarise my argument I am suggesting that sparring is a useful skill for developing the ability to perform techniques against a resisting foe and to get used to someone actively trying to hit you. I am not suggesting that sparring is the only useful training method nor am I suggesting that everyone should engage in MMA style sparring. By sparring I mean trying to perform techniques against a resisting opponent who is doing the same back. Anyone other than Shinobi_Shau who feels that they have something useful to add to such a discussion please feel free to respond/agree/disagree with my points. Anyone who wants to complain about a discussion on sparring coming up again please stop reading now and don't open the thread again rather than repeatedly posting about how bored you are of such discussions.