Discussion in 'Koryu Bujutsu' started by Dean Winchester, Aug 1, 2010.

  1. Dean Winchester

    Dean Winchester Valued Member

    Thought I'd give the forum a kick and generate some discussion.

    So koryu which include tessen? It seems to be a popular weapon in a number of "modern" systems too but I thought it would make a good thread to discuss its "roots".

    Anyone got any good clips of good tessen usage?

    I liked this:

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcfvGoYV44s "]Yagyu Shingan ryu katchu heiho yoroi kumi uchi - YouTube[/ame]
    Last edited: Aug 1, 2010
  2. beer_belly

    beer_belly Valued Member

    We use the tesen in Shinto Muso Ryu - in conjunction with jutte in the subsumed ikkaku ryu kata so you could look for footage of that.

    I recently handled a lovely edo period menbarigata tessen owned by someone from the Masaki Ryu but I dont know if they actually have tessen kata or it was just something he had acquired out of interest.
  3. Kogusoku

    Kogusoku 髭また伸びた! Supporter


    The technical repertoire in tessenjutsu vary from ryuha to ryuha. Some ryuha use the weapon against empty handed attacks, some against swordsmen (Think of kodachi kata against a swordsman using a bludgeoning weapon, rather than a cutting weapon). Some ryuha do both. Training is always paired and never solo.

    The weapon is used for parries and blocks as well as a force multiplier for strikes, joint locks and chokes. The weapon is never used open, since most Japanese tessen have wooden ribs, while the outer ribs are iron. Other designs have the weapon with all ribs made of iron or as a solid length of iron carved into the shape of a fan.

    Koryu that have or use tessen in their curricula;

    1. Takenouchi-ryu
    2. Katayama-ryu koshi no mawari (Uses some in it's jujutsu techniques)
    3. Kiraku-ryu (Uses the weapon mainly against a swordsman)
    4. Ikkaku-ryu (It's not really tessenjutsu, since the main weapon is the jutte, but some kata use the weapon in conjunction with the tessen.)
    5. Araki-ryu (Some lines still have it in their syllabi - The weapon is used against both empty handed and sword attacks)
    6. Hoten-ryu
    7. Kukishin-ryu
    8. Shibukawa-ryu
    9. Kurama Yoshin-ryu
    10. Yagyu Shinkage-ryu (Before someone jumps on me for that, there are lines in Kyushu that have it as well as in Kanto.)
    11. Yagyu Shingan-ryu
    12. Kashima Shin-ryu

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGPn-Wz1aFo"]Kiraku-ryu tessenjutsu[/ame] Watch the pair in the background of the embu, those are some of the techniques from Kiraku-ryu's tessenjutsu. The group in the foreground is demonstrating Enmei-ryu kaikenjutsu.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pu38CVCQoQg"]Ikkaku-ryu juttejutsu [/ame]

    Here are some videos of what is NOT tessenjutsu

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxJTbskF5Ko"]Gawd knows what martial application this has.[/ame]

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNYDSCYrfAI"]Karate kata with a tessen in yer hand. [/ame]

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPFJskQsDPk"]OK, they're kids, but someone had to teach them this stuff. If the tori was using a real tanto, the blade would have gone through the tessen's paper. [/ame]

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRkeSnbaK4g"]What collection would be incomplete without Choson ninjer? Again the weapon is open a lot of the time. [/ame]
  4. nico storm

    nico storm Valued Member

  5. Chris Parker

    Chris Parker Valued Member

    Hey John,

    You're just stirring things up, yeah? Frank Dux's group? Very legit.....

    (PS I'm the guy working with Bob in Melbourne. I'm sure he'd say hi if he was on the forums, he certainly has some great stories about you, Scott, and everyone else back there!)
  6. Kogusoku

    Kogusoku 髭また伸びた! Supporter

  7. nico storm

    nico storm Valued Member

    Hi Chris,

    Hope Bob is keeping up his training. I aint stirring up nothing about old Franky boy, Bloodsport was a great film :hat:
    Last edited: Aug 10, 2010
  8. pakarilusi

    pakarilusi Valued Member

    Why don't you just spar with it like they do in Kendo or as the Dogbrothers do?

    Keep it as safe as you can of course, but push it within that limit...

    Really no point thinking what would or would not work... No matter what the weapon.
  9. Dean Winchester

    Dean Winchester Valued Member

    Think you might need to read about the topic of this subforum.

    The discussion might make a bit more sense to you then.
  10. nico storm

    nico storm Valued Member

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZejka-g564&feature=channel_video_title"]‪Shinto Ryu Shinken Bujutsu Tsukimoto Ha Tessen Jutsu‬‏ - YouTube[/ame]

    Interesting, seitei tessenjutsu?
  11. Kogusoku

    Kogusoku 髭また伸びた! Supporter

    Mister, I'm coming to your dojo on the 23rd.

    Don't provoke me!

    I'll be bringing a yari.
  12. nico storm

    nico storm Valued Member

    What did I do, I simply don't know much about this art, I'm just innocently trying to find out about what is legit and what is not! :whistle:
  13. Chris Parker

    Chris Parker Valued Member

    Well, John, you certainly broadened my understanding of the breadth of systems out there.... Seriously, though, what was up with that Reiho for the sword aspect? Yoko Chiburi before the kata?!? And were they just copying a form of Katori Shinto Ryu Reishiki, but trying to "beef" it up? Sigh, what some people are passing off, I don't know....
  14. Kogusoku

    Kogusoku 髭また伸びた! Supporter

    I know mate, bloody sickening.
  15. Kogusoku

    Kogusoku 髭また伸びた! Supporter

    And I'm the pope! :evil:

    Actually........ I'll bring a tessen too to the Heijoshin and show you personally if you like.

    The fan is usually never opened like you see in those abominable clips.
    Last edited: Jul 15, 2011
  16. ScottUK

    ScottUK More human than human...

    [grabs popcorn - and bandages]
  17. Da Lurker

    Da Lurker Valued Member

    most of the non-koryu vids look like a bad rendition of moves of CMA origin.
  18. ScottUK

    ScottUK More human than human...

    As the fan has no combative application or personal requirement (i.e. no sun) in the UK, I am going to invent seitei-brolly.
  19. Kogusoku

    Kogusoku 髭また伸びた! Supporter

    It'll have to be tokubetsu embu
  20. Kogusoku

    Kogusoku 髭また伸びた! Supporter

    Didn't Micky Finn do that already?!?

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