Tell me about Inayan FMA

Discussion in 'Filipino Martial Arts' started by Kframe, Apr 7, 2014.

  1. Kframe

    Kframe Valued Member

    Hi. I am considering moving away from Bujinkan training, and found a local eskrima group. They train Inayan eskrima. I am taking a class on Wednesday and was invited to a private seminar were Suro Inayan was coming to town to teach a private small group seminar.(I think in may, I may have misheard him. Ill find out exact date Wednesday.)

    I Spent some time on the phone talking to the trainer, but would like some input from map.

    So tell me about it guys. The guy on the phone says its a very complete art with strikes, locks throws and even some ground grappling. Apparently they train weapons first then empty hand. Which im ok with.

    My main issue with Bujinkan was the lack of pressure testing, he assured me there would be no absence of pressure testing.

    He said my first class will focus on Serrada and then empty hand translation of the weapon work.

    Thanks for the input guys, just looking for some information on what I can expect.
  2. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    Are these the guys?


    Looks mainly like Cabales style - I don't play serrada much, being a largo player on the whole, but the work they are displaying there looks crisp and it looks like a solid place to train at

    This is a comparison video of Angel Cabales

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  3. Kframe

    Kframe Valued Member

    Im here in Fort Wayne Indiana. There was a whole escrima association here but fell apart a while ago. I found a small training group. The trainer told me that Suro Jason Inayan is coming soon, to do a private teaching.

    They don't have a website but I can link there face book page. He is the guy I talked to. Here is the FMA association here.

    He and apparently a few other students are former Bujinkan members. They pressure test everything they do.

    They mentioned that the uniform is a training t shirt with there name on it, and they rank with a sash system. I don't know if that tells anything or not but.

    Is it a legit art? Is it going to be better at training its concepts then Bujinkan?
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  4. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    Hard to say (I can't view FB from work) - if it is Cabales style I would certainly train there...they work in close and fast!

    Like everything though its down to the school as a whole. From a cursory PoV I would certainly go try it...FMA is addictive though so be warned
  5. Kframe

    Kframe Valued Member

    From what I understand Inayan has cabelas and one other style mixed in. I cant remember the name, Kadena mano and largo and serrada.
  6. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    I play largo so I approve of that!
  7. HarryF

    HarryF Malued Vember

    I'd say go and check it out, ask the instructors a few questions (if you like), watch the teachers move and watch the top students move...

    If they move well (with balance, fluidity, being at the right range, not messing stuff up etc), and your questions ("why do you do...") are answered intelligently (i.e. "because [insert practical explanation]", NOT "it's always been that way"), then you're probably on to a winner.

    And yes, 'FMA is addictive' might be the understatement of the year... I've been doing it for just over 10 years and I still dream about the basics, practice various 'hand movements' in the car at traffic lights - my instructor calls it Kali Tourettes!

    My exposure to Inayan style is via Johan Skalberg, who is also influenced by the Presas styles - Modern Arnis and Kombatan. Johan's largo, serrada (and ability to blend the two) and kadena de mano are incredible! Doesn't mean much if you don't know the guy but he said one of his key influences was Suro Mike Inay's focus on 'getting a good strike'. So practicality *should abound in Inayan style...

    Also, Johan doing some kadena de mano:


    I'm going to a weekend seminar with him soon... :excitedface:
  8. Kframe

    Kframe Valued Member

    That looked a lot like wing chun. What seperates it from wing chun with regards to the unarmed?
  9. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    It isn't WC - the structure is MUCH more freeform and less dogmatic.

    It only has a fleeting resemblance
  10. Kframe

    Kframe Valued Member

    I only asked because WC is disrespected by many. At first glance it looked like a sparring version of WC. However if it is more free form then that is a bonus.

    How is the trapping and movement and striking different with escrima compared to WC. I noticed that in the demo, he didn't move a lot, just stayed in the centerline. From the weapon vids there should be lots of movement away from the weapon. I didn't see his feet move a lot, was his evasion mostly upper body??

    The place that has the escrima is a complex with a few arts. I plan on maximizing my training time and doing karate and judo(taught by a 7th dan kodakan). I asked him if there would be any conflicts training karate and escrima and he said no, but he felt that karate was to stiff.

    For me it is just about maximizing training time, I have a lot of it, so I want to be doing something all the time that is available.

    I had read some blogs that said escrima empty hands was a joke and that it should stick to weapons. Has anyone here sparred there escrima with mma guys? Just curious how it went.
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  11. HarryF

    HarryF Malued Vember

    Well... it's not.

    I hear that a lot about Kali, 'that looks like muay thai/wing chun/krav maga/sambo/wrestling/JKD (whatever that means to you)/aikido/judo/jui jitsu/silat (whatever version)/fencing/drumming/dancing/a caveman/berzerker/incredible hulk'.

    The answer to that is "Yes and no"; good material has its time and place. The human body moves well in some ways, and badly in other ways (you should aim to move yourself well, and make your opponent move badly), so with that being a common theme (an armbar is an armbar in an armbar) the primary difference between fighting arts is environmental (muddy fields/jungle/city, and legal frameworks - i.e. can you carry weapons), training methodologies and how you develop your attributes, although these obviously interconnected...

    Pfft, enough talk; go and try out a class and let us know what it was like!

    More Johan!






    Damn it, I'll be draming Kali dreams again tonight!
  12. HarryF

    HarryF Malued Vember

    Regarding movement on the demo video:
    1) it's a demo video (don't want to move outside of camera angle, or go too quickly)
    2) just because you didn't see it doesn't mean it didn't happen
    3) as the weapon reaches get shorter, footwork becomes smaller (e.g. spear vs punches)

    [1] It depends on the person doing the learning, the person doing the training, and the training methodologies. Also, don't believe everything you read on the internet, including this - experience it for yourself if you are interested...

    [2] Under what rule-set? In what environment? Multiple on multiple, single on single, multiple on single? Weapons allowed?

    There SHOULD be very little difference in efficacy between a good kali guy with a weapon or without a weapon. I've seen a great Hannibal quote on here somewhere about 'It should be that the thing you carry is a tool, and YOU are the weapon...' I forget how it ends ;)
  13. Kframe

    Kframe Valued Member

    God that looks freaking awesome! The class is on Wednesday, and I cant freaking wait.

    Also looking forward to meeting there Suro Jason Inay, the head of there art.

    Trying to not get to excited, as I was excited about Bujinkan and was blinded by the reality of no pressure testing.
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  14. Kframe

    Kframe Valued Member

    Harry, I meant just 1 v 1 unarmed.

    My primary concern is practical weapons knowledge. People carry knives and other weapons and I need to be able to deal with it if I don't have one my self.
  15. HarryF

    HarryF Malued Vember

    OK cool, I hope the class is everything you're hoping for, come back and let us know how it goes!
  16. kuntaoer

    kuntaoer Valued Member

    In viewing your question and reading some of the comments, I would like to answer some of your concerns..

    1. Is Inayan eskrima serrada based.. Yes, it is Suro Mike Inay was one of Angel cabales students before he went and developed the Inayan system

    2, is Eskrima pressure tested? Try this, have a friend stand about 4 ft from you and swing a bat.. Now being serious, yes eskrima is pressure tested as a beginner can swing a stick at 60 mph and masters can crack coconuts with their striking abilities.. In the beginning, things will be done by the numbers and from there as you progesss, things pick up in speed.. In other words, you snooze, you bruise. <G>

    My comments are based on being a FMA instructor for 3 plus decades of teaching and training, so take it as you want,

    But personally, if the Inayan system is offered, I would most definitely jump at the chance to train in it
  17. Kframe

    Kframe Valued Member

    Thank you kuntaoer, he also mentioned that they train in largo and kadena d mano as part of the system.

    Is the pressure at any time after I gain some experience going to be random like sparring?
  18. HarryF

    HarryF Malued Vember

    Depends on the instructor and the club.
    PART of the pressure learning (not just pressure testing) SHOULD be 'random like sparring'. But that depends what you mean by 'random' (everything should have a purpose, even if you/I don't see it yet), and what you mean by 'sparring' (ruleset, relative skill level, intensity)...
  19. kuntaoer

    kuntaoer Valued Member

    Like I said in my earlier post, You can pretty much anticipate the sparring aspect to pick up after you get the basics down.. I have an acquaintance who trained in the Inayan system and when we play (loosely translated to mean spar), it is not like the tappy tappy type of tourney play you see in karate.. The speed of the stick coming at you will most definitely increase the sphincter pucker factor for the first few times until you get comfortable with it..
  20. Kframe

    Kframe Valued Member

    Thanks for the insight guys. Ill let you know my feelings after my class tomorrow night.

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