John we could argue the specifics of each little thing and get bogged down in semantics, definitions, terminology and for what end? You either approach taiji as a taiji guy, or you don't. My opinion is you basically don't (not really anyway) and it's obvious as hell to experienced taiji guys. Let taiji be taiji... The techniques in those 2 clips don't contradict and actually look very much like taiji wrestling. You have the hip bump, there is leg placement. Of course you don't just have the leg just in place and inactive other than that. These kind of things are the details of technique training. I don't think I am being optimistic in saying generating power for those techniques will be a big issue at all. Forms are for the ideas and shapes of technique, you have keys with it that give you options. But other than that aspect of technique, there are other, and in my opinions better reasons to practice form(s). Although the technique side of it can be fun to, forms become more abstract the more it becomes less about the techniques. from Chen on the tai chi style uses either the 32 postures or 37 postures then in between you have the transitions. there are systems with various amounts of forms and in the past, maybe it was more common to have lot's of different forms for different things. I'm just not sure that's the best way - simply for recording techniques anyway. You can load a form up with technique. I actually stopped practicing one form in favour of the more orthodox 'less loaded' version. I prefer that, because now I can put in and take out some bits from that more 'combat version' as suits me. I went through phases of learning different forms (maybe 6 different TCC forms in total), and some from other arts like bagua or hsingyi. Most of it I have let go and stick to my 1 tai chi form and use it in as many different ways as I know how. I'd like to think I've made a good choice, but it was as much by luck too that my form is the Chen Pan Ling form, who learnt TCC from Yang, Chen and Wu sources and synthesised this form from that experience. He also had other CMA experience and the 'combat form' I believe was synthesised by one of his guys that taught in Japan. I think that form did have "the kitchen sink" thrown at it, and probably contained some elements from other CMA. What's my point? I don't really know anymore. It's just for someone who has a lot to say about tai chi, you don't think about and practice martial taiji like a taiji guy. And I don't think that's unfair given your posting history. My view on TCMA techniques, is that whether it's Chin-na or Shuai, or even striking - it's all up for grabs but all the styles pick and choose and do them their way to varying degrees. This is nothing new or unusual, it's by and large accepted. In the end that's what style amounts to - doing something your way and organizing your system your way. To me the technique part is fine lines.. I can accept there is no roundhouse kick in TCC, but I still have one - but I am less interested in using it that I ever have been perhaps. It may not be as good as a MT guy, but I think it's ok for me.. I see it in terms of the round kick we do have (crescent), if all I have to essentially do is rotate my leg on it's axis and if I want bring it out a bit more to the side - make the crescent a bit rounder in effect. How much does that really matter, should anyone care that much. Maybe or maybe not ? But at the same time I am happy to leave it out of TCC completely, and just admit, it might be something I drop into my technique or not. I'm not even personally that bothered about kicking from the outside angle unless it is low and doubles as a sweep - I prefer to try to specialise in being out of range, defending/catching kicks and closing distance. I prefer kicking to the groin (self defence) or using them to jam/ control distance, maybe target the knee for a strike. But yeah it's basically straight kicks with the toe or heel. Now and again in the past I have tried to get fancy and use a side kick or spinning kick. But you know, martial arts is about that experimenting, adapting and finding "your thing". At the same time when I am on my bag, I feel very natural throwing the odd roundhouse in. Boxing is a lot like that for me, I like boxing a lot and train it on it's own terms as well as integrate it to what else I do. There's another crossover discussion in there too.