Tae Kwon Do: what's so bad about it?

Discussion in 'MMA' started by GotYourPants, Oct 18, 2015.

  1. GotYourPants

    GotYourPants New Member

    That's about it.
     
  2. Van Zandt

    Van Zandt Mr. High Kick

    You mean what's so good about it. Purely from the competitive side alone, TKD is the pentathalon of martial arts - you've got individual sparring, team sparring, patterns, hand destruction and foot destruction in one event. It makes you a much more rounded athlete and requires a lot more effort to medal consistently in every division, than say just winning a single boxing or mma fight.
     
  3. Dean Winchester

    Dean Winchester Valued Member

    What VZ said and keep in mind that if you quit you can also have a great carrier as an Irish dancer.
     
  4. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    Or Can-Can performer
     
  5. Antonius

    Antonius Valued Member

    Good: You learn how to kick people in the face.

    Bad: silly point sparring.
     
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  6. belltoller

    belltoller OffTopic MonstreOrdinaire Supporter

    Not if it helps train one to "get there first"
     
  7. Antonius

    Antonius Valued Member

    First to do what? Foot tag for a point? Or those handtechniques we only get to use in a form?

    Another bad thing about wtf tkd: forms and sparring are different worlds.
     
  8. GotYourPants

    GotYourPants New Member

    Haha haha you guys are great. So what I meant is in the arena,but other critiques are welcome too.

    I also hated the point sparring, especially in versions when we stopped after every point. I hated it when my school switched from ITF to WTF because we essentially stopped using hand techniques. And I wish I could throw a straight in sparring.

    Does the TKD roundhouse kick have any value in MMA? Do the other techniques?
     
  9. Van Zandt

    Van Zandt Mr. High Kick

    You ever fought in TKD competitions before?
     
  10. GotYourPants

    GotYourPants New Member

    I did (at low levels). The hand techniques were only weird ones to the side of the head, basically useless in sparring in my experience. And the moves are built for speed and disguise, not power, so foot tagging sounds about right.

    Please prove me wrong. The only local gym is TKD.
     
  11. Mitch

    Mitch Lord Mitch of MAP Admin

    You can win a WTF TKD bout by knocking your opponent out. That's not foot tag.

    Mitch
     
  12. SWC Sifu Ben

    SWC Sifu Ben I am the law

    But you can't punch your opponent in the head which is quite a disappointment. I feel like, as with modern Judo, Taekwondo has an over-specialized ruleset which ends with a predominant focus on high kicks and it not living up to its potential as a striking art.

    The positive is that it brings to light techniques which one might not otherwise unearth and which can then be brought to more open rulesets. If my choices however were TKD or Muay Thai/Kickboxing/Savate/Sanda it would be a cold day before I donned a dobok again.
     
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  13. Mitch

    Mitch Lord Mitch of MAP Admin

    Oh, absolutely agree, WTF sparring is not my cup of tea really, though I admire the athleticism and speed of the players.

    But too often it is denigrated by people saying things like, "it's soft contact point sparring," when clearly it's more than that and what they really mean is, "I don't like the rules."

    Having held a kick shield for a female competitor who was a good standard but not Olympic level, I know for a fact that the WTF style back kick packs plenty of power :)

    Mitch
     
  14. Antonius

    Antonius Valued Member

    Yes. Hence the foot tag remark. Anything harder to the body and you'll get a warning.

    Head ko's are indeed legal yet a keeping your hands up is discouraged. Even blocking is discouraged.

    And dont get me started on leg kicks.....

    I love the art and I love its techniques. Taekwondo has done wonders for my agility and movement. But the sparring is plain silly.

    Last time I felt so frustrated with TKD I switched to kickboxing for six months to learn how to properly attack with and defend against a leg kick. It also improved my hand strikes. Im seriously considering taken some time off again after I get my red belt.


    As for MMA; plenty of fighters with a TKD background that use TKD in the octagon.
     
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  15. bassai

    bassai onwards and upwards ! Moderator Supporter

    But the same could be said of Kyukushin , and no ones knocking that.
     
  16. SWC Sifu Ben

    SWC Sifu Ben I am the law

    I guess the real question for most people is why in its dominant resistant testing ground TKD doesn't emphasize a more well rounded striking skillset and why more fundamental skills like punching are left by the wayside.
     
  17. Mitch

    Mitch Lord Mitch of MAP Admin

    The politics of nationallism and sport.

    Mitch
     
  18. belltoller

    belltoller OffTopic MonstreOrdinaire Supporter

    Light up the led on the judge's scoreboard ?
     
  19. Mitch

    Mitch Lord Mitch of MAP Admin

    One might also ask why boxing doesn't allow kicks and grappling?

    Mitch
     
  20. Van Zandt

    Van Zandt Mr. High Kick

    Being discouraged to keep your hands down and not block is because you had a rubbish coach, not because TKD itself is bad.
     

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