Yah, at the end of the day, you can go 100% in comps and in practice. So it will never water down to Karate's level.
i don't think that's true. if anything, having bjj schools all over raises the level. i've trained at several local schools other than my gym--just for the heck of it, or i've made friends through other friends or via competition and will just drop in for an open mat kind of thing. i've trained with tons of high quality practitioners. i think for many bjj people, myself included, tournaments still mean a ton. the coaches at two of the gyms i've regularly trained at both really encouraged competing. i think it's extremely important, but not for the win/loss aspect or even the camaraderie. i personally think it's important because it gets me closer to being able to actually use this stuff if i need to.
I still disagree. My son is a blue belt who, due to his size and weight generally competes against black belts. He's good but not great and regularly beats black belts. So either he's better than his belt rank or the black belts out there aren't as good as their rank. Yes there are some serious kick ass tournaments out there, but then some are really not very entertaining. You score a few points then stall to win your match....
Your blue belt son is placed in categories of weight against blackbelts in BJJ tournaments, and regularly wins? I'm sorry, but that sounds like falsehood. I do find it hard to believe that a BJJ blue belt would routinely beat BJJ black belts, but also I have never seen a tournament divide it's brackets soley by weight. How old and how heavy is your son? And where are these tournaments. It sounds like a pretty glaring anomaly to me. I find BJJ pretty boring to watch. But the standard of completion in terms of ability is very high (above white belt it's much more consistent too).
There are plenty of venues available to fight full contact. If your school doesn't contain anyone who could win a couple of amateur MMA matches, for example, you're not really training people to fight.
blue belts beating black belts? and kids being paired in competition by weight and size regardless of belt, and not belt/age/weight like every ibjjf since ever? next are you going to tell me i have to go to japan to get the right training?
I prefer sub-only myself. I've seen BJJ "point fighters" go to sub-only and get trashed, I fear that it is a combination of honestly just not being good at applying submissions on a fully resisting opponent because they spent so much time developing point scoring strategies, and often not being in good enough condition to go that hard for that long (regionally anyway, the sub-only tourneys here are between 10 minutes and no time limit).
yeah, those guys that go 20 minutes are ridiculously tough. it's insane. pretty sure i'd have a heart attack at about minute 12.
Danaher and garry Tonon have both alluded to this recently, having no time limit means energy conservation, efficency and conditioning are all really important. sometimes only having shorter matches (ibjjf etc) means conditioning alone takes over from this, which doesnt always transfer accross to potentially longer matches. Especially with the brazillian fixation on vitamin S.
I feel for the most part that IBJJF is more relevant to fighting because of positional dominance and timed rounds. How often in a street fight can you afford to get taken down and mounted then invert and go for a heel hook? And how long does a fight last?
I have to look it up and find the source again, but a few months ago Gordon Ryan won a match, by doing something that would be considered a bad idea within standard Jiu Jitsu strategy. He played possum and gave up mount...only to submit his opponent with a leg lock afterwards. There are things you can do once you start breaking some of the "rules" when it comes to positioning in Jiu Jitsu.
BJJ doesn't say "avoid being in bottom mount because you can't win a submission grappling fight from there", it says "avoid being in bottom mount because the guy on top can bash your face in".
but are you discounting striking completely korpy? in your example above you talk about giving up the mount to get a leg-lock. someone mounts you, they're launching strikes from that position. or pulling out a weapon. what good does it do you to go for the leg-lock when you've given up a prime offensive opportunity for your opponent. i've seen this video years ago, looked it up again. i agree with some of the points regarding what the art is actually about. i know i know, there's marketing in there too. [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSS7IYSs7WY"]The Principles of Gracie Jiu-Jitsu with Rener Gracie - YouTube[/ame]
Go start a few MMA fights that way, come back and tell us how it went when the headache dies down a bit.
i'd be more worried about a broken orbital bone because of randy couture-style ground and pound in mount.
Since the context dictates the tactics, its no wonder, different rulesets generate different tactics, but the mechanics always remain the same, if your training is so specialised it cant function under differing rulesets, then your training may well of specialised too early.
