Starting training and teaching Silat again in Scotland

I can name Maideen Kadir Shah for Silat Cekak. But for the Silat Ikhtiar people and other schools I would rather point you to the book, or rather not throw people's names about.....

 

Seems like you're either being evasive or trying hard not to answer what seem to be pretty standard questions.

What area?

You never know. I passed through Malaysia myself quite a few years ago....

If I recall, on one website it said that 'Silat Ikhtiar' is the 'the martial art of my wife's family'... is that true?

Somewhere I think you wrote that you lived/trained there for 8 years, apparently in several styles. And, if I recall, Maideen Kadir Shah is/was based in KL. So I am curious whether you trained extensively in each style and then moved on, trained concurrently in several styles, or just 'collected' a bit from a bunch of different ones?

Do you still train under a more experienced instructor?

Do you consider it a "complete martial art" or not?

I read on your Amazon description of the art: "Silat Ikhtiar does also not claim to be a 'complete' system. It is merely a tool that can be used in many situations. The objective of Silat Ikhtiar was to introduce a functional, usable and progressive style which still retains traditional and cultural aspects."

 

Silat Ikhtiar is an art with movement, application and it has weapons. But there won't be a problem teaching in the UK.
I already have in Glasgow for 3 years. It's not taught as a street self defence thing. So no problem there.
Luckily I am not trying to sell a class. But I understand you don't like a man of few words.
Sorry about that. I have written so much already, I forget to elaborate sometimes. So I will elaborate below:

Silat Ikhtiar has its own syllabus. The method of teaching is according to the way Silat is taught in Malaysia and has no shortcuts.
With a regime that is quite demanding on the legs with low stances as well as upright positioning and holds and restraints that can cause discomfort on muscles by stretching and uncomfortable postures. Students first learn a mandatory sequence used for performance.
Time span: Depending on the student between 1 to 4 months.
Only when the student has the capability and understanding of the movement and cultural significance, the basic techniques are taught.
Time span: Depending on the student between 1 to 2 months and ongoing.
Only when the student has the capability and understanding of the basic techniques, advanced empty hand techniques are taught (Pegang and Akhir).
Time span: Depending on the student between 12 to 24 months and ongoing.
Only when the student has the capability and understanding of Pegang and Akhir, controlled improvisation and sparring will be trained.
Time span: Ongoing from that moment.
Pisau Ikhtiar (knife) basics will be introduced at moment of choice by the instructor in order to lay a foundation for other weapons.
Only when the student has the capability and understanding of Pegang and Akhir and Pisau Ikhtiar, other weapons will be taught. Other weapons the Parang Ikhtiar, Keris Ikhtiar, Badek Ikhtiar, Duri and Cabang are taught away from the eyes of the beginning and intermediate students.
Senjata Beracun is considered Ilmu Batin (secret knowledge) and taught away from others and only to those who have completed the entire syllabus.

Syllabus:
Seni / Art:
Pengantin
Tangan Kosong / Empty Hand:
Basics
Pegang (control/restraint)
Akhir (finishing techniques)

Senjata / Weapons:
Pisau Ikhtiar (pisau/knife/mes)
Parang Ikhtiar (parang/machette/kapmes)
Keris Ikhtiar (keris/kris)
Badek Ikhtiar (badek/dagger/dolk) (includes kerambit/stopmes)
Duri (thorn/doorn)
Cabang (parry dagger/pareerdolk)
Senjata Beracun (weapon poison)

 

We have started out on the wrong foot. That is clear.
I think you look at this with a European/USA view.

Johor
Family, correct.
There is no such thing as a complete art. I need students to learn the complete cyllabus.
Correct, Maideen is in Datuk Keramat near KL
Extensively in each style.
There are a lot of people here in the UK who do that collecting thing, I am strongly opposed that.

I must say that the atmosphere on this forum is very negative.
Not everybody is a charletan invading your website my friends.

 

For Ikhtiar yes, but there is no printed certificate on my wall like is done with JKD.
I have some weapons and a samping, that's my certificate. I got to write it down, that is like another certificate. Took me years to do that.
By the way, the sports you mention are something entirely different. Cool stuff, but different.

 

Silat Ikhtiar is a school. Not my own undertaking.
Yes I am allowed to teach all and I was told to teach it in Europe. Hence their idea for a book.
And here comes the European stuff which is irrelevant in Malaysia:
I have a coaching certificate and an insurance here in the UK.
Should apply for a first aid course again though.

 

Well... to be fair, you put up a post about being an instructor in an uncommon art and when you were asked questions on it, you answered either evasively, condescendingly or borderline rudely to them. That raises immediate red flags.

Many of the posters here are experienced instructors with years and years of training behind them, often also having trained in the homelands of their chosen arts. There is an incredible amount that can be learned by engaging in open conversation here if you take the time and consideration to do so.

Good luck to you.

 

This is a great idea. Filming can convey many things that are hard to convey in words.

 

I must have walked through the door of the pantheon by mistake. I will see myself out.

 

Or you could try and actually explain yourself a bit better when questions are asked....instead of being defensive try and understand WHY the questions are being asked

Or conversely don't let the door hit you in the ass - personally I think that would be a missed opportunity

 

People here call out horse doodoo when they smell it and for me the scent is very strong......

If you are very honest and transparant here about your style/system or whatever the hell you call it people here would appreciate you much more, and else you will get the tough questions, it's a really simple arrangement.

 

So, readers of this thread, please ignore all the negativity of these people.
If you have read my first post and are interested, please contact me.
Regards,
Jerome

 

You don't name your teacher in the book forward either:

Silat Ikhtiar - The South East Asian Martial Art

Why not? Unless you made the school up yourself to sell books?