Starting training and teaching Silat again in Scotland

Discussion in 'Silat' started by Jerome Blanes, Nov 6, 2018.

  1. Simon

    Simon Administrator Admin Supporter MAP 2017 Koyo Award

    That's fine, but if you are looking to pass on a complete system what are your current thoughts and understanding regarding not only UK laws, but whether your current skill and understanding can be adapted to teach within that UK legal framework?

    You are answering questions, but saying nothing at the same time and if I was a fit twenty year old looking to learn a complete system on Saturday mornings you aren't selling it to me.
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  2. Jerome Blanes

    Jerome Blanes Member

    I can name Maideen Kadir Shah for Silat Cekak. But for the Silat Ikhtiar people and other schools I would rather point you to the book, or rather not throw people's names about.....
  3. Simon

    Simon Administrator Admin Supporter MAP 2017 Koyo Award

    That is a complete nonsense.

    If you are certified to pass on the art, then your instructors should be proud.

    If not then...

    Again, answering questions, but saying nothing.

    Anything that hides behind a secret should be ignored, as then days are long gone.

    We share, we encourage and we all benefit.
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  4. Thomas

    Thomas Combat Hapkido/Taekwondo

    Seems like you're either being evasive or trying hard not to answer what seem to be pretty standard questions.

    What area?

    You never know. I passed through Malaysia myself quite a few years ago....

    If I recall, on one website it said that 'Silat Ikhtiar' is the 'the martial art of my wife's family'... is that true?

    Somewhere I think you wrote that you lived/trained there for 8 years, apparently in several styles. And, if I recall, Maideen Kadir Shah is/was based in KL. So I am curious whether you trained extensively in each style and then moved on, trained concurrently in several styles, or just 'collected' a bit from a bunch of different ones?

    Do you still train under a more experienced instructor?

    Do you consider it a "complete martial art" or not?

    I read on your Amazon description of the art: "Silat Ikhtiar does also not claim to be a 'complete' system. It is merely a tool that can be used in many situations. The objective of Silat Ikhtiar was to introduce a functional, usable and progressive style which still retains traditional and cultural aspects."
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  5. Jerome Blanes

    Jerome Blanes Member

    Silat Ikhtiar is an art with movement, application and it has weapons. But there won't be a problem teaching in the UK.
    I already have in Glasgow for 3 years. It's not taught as a street self defence thing. So no problem there.
    Luckily I am not trying to sell a class. But I understand you don't like a man of few words.
    Sorry about that. I have written so much already, I forget to elaborate sometimes. So I will elaborate below:

    Silat Ikhtiar has its own syllabus. The method of teaching is according to the way Silat is taught in Malaysia and has no shortcuts.
    With a regime that is quite demanding on the legs with low stances as well as upright positioning and holds and restraints that can cause discomfort on muscles by stretching and uncomfortable postures. Students first learn a mandatory sequence used for performance.
    Time span: Depending on the student between 1 to 4 months.
    Only when the student has the capability and understanding of the movement and cultural significance, the basic techniques are taught.
    Time span: Depending on the student between 1 to 2 months and ongoing.
    Only when the student has the capability and understanding of the basic techniques, advanced empty hand techniques are taught (Pegang and Akhir).
    Time span: Depending on the student between 12 to 24 months and ongoing.
    Only when the student has the capability and understanding of Pegang and Akhir, controlled improvisation and sparring will be trained.
    Time span: Ongoing from that moment.
    Pisau Ikhtiar (knife) basics will be introduced at moment of choice by the instructor in order to lay a foundation for other weapons.
    Only when the student has the capability and understanding of Pegang and Akhir and Pisau Ikhtiar, other weapons will be taught. Other weapons the Parang Ikhtiar, Keris Ikhtiar, Badek Ikhtiar, Duri and Cabang are taught away from the eyes of the beginning and intermediate students.
    Senjata Beracun is considered Ilmu Batin (secret knowledge) and taught away from others and only to those who have completed the entire syllabus.

    Seni / Art:

    Tangan Kosong / Empty Hand:
    Pegang (control/restraint)
    Akhir (finishing techniques)

    Senjata / Weapons:
    Pisau Ikhtiar (pisau/knife/mes)
    Parang Ikhtiar (parang/machette/kapmes)
    Keris Ikhtiar (keris/kris)
    Badek Ikhtiar (badek/dagger/dolk) (includes kerambit/stopmes)
    Duri (thorn/doorn)
    Cabang (parry dagger/pareerdolk)
    Senjata Beracun (weapon poison)
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  6. Simon

    Simon Administrator Admin Supporter MAP 2017 Koyo Award

    So it could be 24 months before the students are allowed to spar?

    If that's the case you'll struggle to find a student in the UK, as an MMA, Muay Thai or Kickboxing gym will have them sparring in a few weeks.

    I wish you luck.

    Now to the question regarding your instructors. Are you certified to teach the entire syllabus, weapons included?
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  7. Jerome Blanes

    Jerome Blanes Member

    We have started out on the wrong foot. That is clear.
    I think you look at this with a European/USA view.

    Family, correct.
    There is no such thing as a complete art. I need students to learn the complete cyllabus.
    Correct, Maideen is in Datuk Keramat near KL
    Extensively in each style.
    There are a lot of people here in the UK who do that collecting thing, I am strongly opposed that.

    I must say that the atmosphere on this forum is very negative.
    Not everybody is a charletan invading your website my friends.
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  8. Simon

    Simon Administrator Admin Supporter MAP 2017 Koyo Award

    You'll find that being open will help.

    People will train in many different arts for many different reasons.

    As the forum owner I do have a duty of care to our members, some of who are young and inexperienced, and I need to make sure that people are certified to teach correctly are fully insured and so on.

    There is a difference to having train extensively in and being authorised and certified.
  9. Jerome Blanes

    Jerome Blanes Member

    For Ikhtiar yes, but there is no printed certificate on my wall like is done with JKD.
    I have some weapons and a samping, that's my certificate. I got to write it down, that is like another certificate. Took me years to do that.
    By the way, the sports you mention are something entirely different. Cool stuff, but different.
  10. Simon

    Simon Administrator Admin Supporter MAP 2017 Koyo Award

    I apologise if I'm reading this incorrectly, but to me it reads that as you've written down the syllabus over a number of years that is in effect your certification.

    Has a senior instructor actually passed you as competent to teach the weapons?

    Are you teaching under the umbrella of a club r group, or is this just your own undertaking?

    If it's the latter will you have the relevant insurances to take on and teach others?
  11. Jerome Blanes

    Jerome Blanes Member

    Silat Ikhtiar is a school. Not my own undertaking.
    Yes I am allowed to teach all and I was told to teach it in Europe. Hence their idea for a book.
    And here comes the European stuff which is irrelevant in Malaysia:
    I have a coaching certificate and an insurance here in the UK.
    Should apply for a first aid course again though.
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  12. Thomas

    Thomas Combat Hapkido/Taekwondo

    Well... to be fair, you put up a post about being an instructor in an uncommon art and when you were asked questions on it, you answered either evasively, condescendingly or borderline rudely to them. That raises immediate red flags.

    Many of the posters here are experienced instructors with years and years of training behind them, often also having trained in the homelands of their chosen arts. There is an incredible amount that can be learned by engaging in open conversation here if you take the time and consideration to do so.

    Good luck to you.
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  13. Monkey_Magic

    Monkey_Magic Well-Known Member

    This is a great idea. Filming can convey many things that are hard to convey in words.
  14. Jerome Blanes

    Jerome Blanes Member

    I must have walked through the door of the pantheon by mistake. I will see myself out.
  15. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    Or you could try and actually explain yourself a bit better when questions are asked....instead of being defensive try and understand WHY the questions are being asked

    Or conversely don't let the door hit you in the ass - personally I think that would be a missed opportunity
  16. Dylan9d

    Dylan9d Valued Member

    People here call out horse doodoo when they smell it and for me the scent is very strong......

    If you are very honest and transparant here about your style/system or whatever the hell you call it people here would appreciate you much more, and else you will get the tough questions, it's a really simple arrangement.
  17. Dead_pool

    Dead_pool Spes mea in nihil Deus MAP 2017 Moi Award

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  18. Jerome Blanes

    Jerome Blanes Member

    So, readers of this thread, please ignore all the negativity of these people.
    If you have read my first post and are interested, please contact me.
  19. Simon

    Simon Administrator Admin Supporter MAP 2017 Koyo Award

    It's not negative.

    Your replies have been negative.

    You come here and post a thread (which by the way broke our advertising rules) and asked for students.

    You narrowed the field by asking for a very specific type of person and totally left out any information regarding what that type of person would be receiving in the way of tuition.

    We still don't know if you have your own facility, are hiring a hall, or even teaching out of a shed in your garden.

    Hardly going to get anyone saying, "sure I'll train with you" with the amount of information you've given so far.

    You can carry on all you like about us being negative, but read through again and see where you've avoided filling in the blanks.
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  20. Dead_pool

    Dead_pool Spes mea in nihil Deus MAP 2017 Moi Award

    You don't name your teacher in the book forward either:

    Silat Ikhtiar - The South East Asian Martial Art

    Why not? Unless you made the school up yourself to sell books?

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