Standing JUDO is Kurash

Discussion in 'Judo' started by ravikurash, Jul 20, 2015.

  1. ravikurash

    ravikurash Valued Member

    Do you know the similarities between JUDO and Kurash? It is included in indoor Asian Games and beach games and very soon going to be included in Asian Games. Next will be Olympics. This is a good news for JUDO players too because now they can have two opportunities to win medals. See the similarities.

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    I am sure you will appreciate this post.

    Ravi Verma
    Joint Secretary, Kurash Association of India
  2. Ben Gash CLF

    Ben Gash CLF Valued Member

    So it's basically Judo with no Ne Waza. There's no way that a sport that is essentially identical to Judo will get into the Olympics, sorry.
  3. ravikurash

    ravikurash Valued Member

    Hi Sifu,

    I am not saying that Kurash will enter into Olympics just because it is similar to JUDO. What I am saying that since it is similar to JUDO, Judokas can play in two events in Asian Games from next time. That means double medal chances. Isn't it good news for Judokas?

    Ravi Verma
    Joint Secretary, Kurash Association of India
  4. gapjumper

    gapjumper Intentionally left blank

    What do you feel are the similarities?

    What do you feel are the differences?
  5. ravikurash

    ravikurash Valued Member

    Thanks for asking Gapjumper,

    Well if you see the video, you will find that Ippon becomes Khalol here, Waazare becomes Yambosh, Yuko becomes Chala. However the differences are that in JUDO all penalties are called Shido but in Kurash 1st Penalty is Tambhek, 2nd is Dakki and 3rd is Girrom. Girrom is similar to Hansokumake. Which brings out another differences that Kurash has one shido less than Judo. In Judo 4th warning is disqualification but in Kurash 3rd warning is disqualification. But the major difference is that in Kurash there is no ground work allowed.

    I hope I have tried my best to reply your question. :)

    Ravi Verma
    Joint Secretary, Kurash Association of India
  6. qazaqwe

    qazaqwe Valued Member

    It sounds like Greco Roman in a jacket.
  7. holyheadjch

    holyheadjch Valued Member

    Elite level judoka are forbidden by the IJF from participating in other sports.
  8. ravikurash

    ravikurash Valued Member

    Oh I see. But is it good? I mean restricting sports persons especially the martial art players playing other form of martial art is a bid too harsh. Politics?
  9. holyheadjch

    holyheadjch Valued Member

    Professional football players don't play for amateur basketball teams. Professional runners don't moonlight as Rugby players.

    Even if they were allowed, serious Judo players wouldn't enter a Kurash competition anyway, since you don't earn ranking points for winning it.
  10. Latikos

    Latikos Valued Member

    Most people are pretty annoyed by the restraint.
    At least it "only" effects elite judoka, which is worse enough.

    And my guess would be: Yeah, politics.
  11. holyheadjch

    holyheadjch Valued Member

    The only player I can think of who was affected was Travis Stevens.
  12. ravikurash

    ravikurash Valued Member

    Comparing football & basketball with Judo & Kurash will be a bit harsh, I guess.
  13. Latikos

    Latikos Valued Member

    But does it really matter, how many it actually effects?

    I mean, I don't know any professional Judoka, but I could still imagine some of them would like to attend on some BJJ tournaments.

    In another forum I'm part of, there has been a big thread when the rule came out, and no one was like: Ah, who cares.

    I can even see a bit why they did that, but I think it sets a bad example outside, to actually forbid the Judo elite, to attend other sports.
    Bad publicity in my opinion.

    But totally off-topic here :eek:
  14. Mangosteen

    Mangosteen Hold strong not

    this is just belted jacket wrestling, probably more closely related to modern SAMBO.

    im guessing its an official sport in FILA
  15. ravikurash

    ravikurash Valued Member

    Well, till now it is being played in indoor Asian Games and Beach Games. This year very probably it will be included into Asian Games. In India, this year, it has been incorporated into school national games, so we can say that it is now eligible to compete in International school games too.

    I really don't see the point why a player of one martial art should be stopped from playing in other martial art. Afterall, it is also a martial art. I think the players should get the liberty to decide. Having said that, I also agree that martial art player seeking permission to play in soccer is debatable. But for martial art games, there should be no restrictions. I can only see politics in it, nothing else. Please correct me if I am wrong.

  16. holyheadjch

    holyheadjch Valued Member

    A serious Judo athlete would not choose to take part in another sport, because there is no shortage of Judo competitions and any weekends you do get off, you need for recovery.

    The only exception to that has been BJJ, where a few players competed in BJJ competitions because they were ne waza specialists and BJJ offered them the best opportunities to sharpen their groundwork. The lack of depth in Kurash (you will struggle to argue they are better throwers than Judoka) means the same logic does not apply.
  17. ravikurash

    ravikurash Valued Member

    I am sure, I am not trying to start a comparative analysis of Judo & Kurash. I have equal respect for every sport & sportperson. I just thought that it's a bit unfair to restrict someone. sports person's should be allowed to decide by themselves. That is why I see politics in this decision. As you said, a serious Judoka will never play in other sport, in that case, why is the need for this restriction by authorities?
  18. holyheadjch

    holyheadjch Valued Member

    My theory is that it was instituted when eastern European countries handed a load of wrestlers a gi and a belt and sent them off to the judo circuit, where they proceeded to make a nuisance of themselves by double legging everyone.
  19. Mushroom

    Mushroom De-powered to come back better than before.

    This actually reminds me more of (jacket) Cornish Wrestling. Main difference being in Cornish you have to be in a clinch (over/under) at all times.
    Although yes, this is much closer to Judo.

    Does the IJF ban also covers out of competition season?

    I know that a lot of high level Judokas also enter Wrestling comps, as its essentially the "No Gi" version for them. Sucks for me when I was running around the amatuer circuit and right opposite me was a BB Judo guy. (Next thing I knew I was upside down on my head...but still in wrestling stance, wondering when the fight was gonna start).
  20. ravikurash

    ravikurash Valued Member

    Like Judo originated from Jiu Jitsu; I don't know if Kurash has originated from some other sports but it has been found in ancient paintings & sculptures of Uzbekistan. It's their national game and the Hon. President of Uzbekistan is the Honorary Chairman of International Kurash Association. This sport actually broke borders only after the disintegration of USSR.

    Apart from all this my idea is that the martial art should be categorized like "Athletics" where one Athlete can participate in various Athletic events (only if he desires to). The freedom should be given to the player. What do you say?

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