Sport karate vs Muay Thai

Discussion in 'General Martial Arts Discussion' started by neems, May 8, 2019.

  1. neems

    neems Valued Member

    I know this is an MMA fight, but posted here because I didn't see anything other than Muay Thai from Barros, I don't know much about karate or taekwondo but I didn't see much except from that from Daniels, he obviously has some ability in the clinch but decided that wasn't where he wanted to be.

    It seemed like the southpaw stance alone from Daniels almost negated the low kicks.
    I just found it interesting watching 2 specialist strikers fight in a more open ruleset, you don't see too much of that in MMA anymore.

    I'd be interested to read anyone else's thoughts on it.
  2. icefield

    icefield Valued Member

    Both are strikers really one is a world class striker and one of the best ever with a unique style
    The other is a good Thai fighter with a good amateur record.
    So we had two strikers with unknown ground and take down skills and the superior striker had a style the other guy has never faced and which has confounded much better pure strikers..

    The outcome was really never in doubt.

    Daniels will only really be tested when they let him fight a grappler or wrestler

    His style is like MVPs and if you stay outside you get destroyed if you rush in you get destroyed strikers need to somehow close the distance and wear him down on the fence or take down and test his ground skills
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  3. Grond

    Grond Valued Member

    That finishing kick combination with the overhand ending was out of this world. I don't know if the southpaw stance made as much of a difference as the raw speed and distance control, but most of all the combination of the speed and reach of the kicks. If somebody has that kind of speed with their feet it's gonna be tough getting into clinch or fist range. And I cant remember the last time I saw someone throw way more kicks (esp spinning ones) than hands in MMA, but I guess this is how it's done.
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  4. neems

    neems Valued Member

    Yeah the control of range from Daniels was great, but I do think that if he had not been in an southpaw stance it would have been an option for his opponent to push through and try to smash that lead leg in an attempt to slow him down.

    Not that it would have worked anyway, he was obviously massively outclassed.
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  5. Mitlov

    Mitlov Shiny

    The finish was just unbelievable. This whole fight was so fun to watch.

    As a sidenote, Raymond Daniels is PURE CLASS. Loved his conduct after the KO and in the post fight interview. It's a breath of fresh air compared to the likes of Conor McGregor.
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  6. Mitch

    Mitch Lord Mitch of MAP Admin

    That step spinning back kick was a thing of beauty too :)

    It's just my point of view, but notice he doesn't turn as he steps? He steps then spins, so closes but still gets a full power technique with no telegraph.
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  7. Monkey_Magic

    Monkey_Magic Well-Known Member

    Totally agree. He puts the likes of Conor McGregor to shame.
  8. ronki23

    ronki23 Valued Member

    MOD NOTE: Video deleted. Please remember that cross posting is against our TOS AND that commentary must accompany a posted video. Thanks :D
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  9. ronki23

    ronki23 Valued Member

    He's already fought Jeremiah Metcalf
  10. Mitlov

    Mitlov Shiny

    Yep, but on the other hand, let's not forget that that's the 1 in Michael Venom Page's 14-1 MMA record.
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  11. ronki23

    ronki23 Valued Member

    I only went on here because MVP finally lost and because people with goldfish memories seem to forget Daniels lost his MMA debut
  12. icefield

    icefield Valued Member

    You mean his fight 11 years ago... That fight when he was almost a completely different fighter?
    No body ever said MVP was something magical we simply used him as an example of Lau gar in MMA and with a record 14-1 8 wins by knockout it's still a record slightly better than yours
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  13. Mitlov

    Mitlov Shiny

    But nobody is claiming that the fighting style of Daniel's and MVP is a magic talisman that makes it literally impossible to lose. No art and no training regimen does that. I don't understand t the point you were trying to make with the initial video or the goldfish memories comment.
  14. Mitlov

    Mitlov Shiny

    Since we're now on the topic of Lima v. Page as well, here's the complete context. It's not that the point sparring style of MVP didn't work. MVP did stronger in round one and had just staggered Lima in round two. But as MVP went in for the kill, Lima countered BEAUTIFULLY. Lima did something amazing with that finish, but the implication that MVP's style was ineffective can't be reconciled with the full fight.

    And credit for MVP for being a pure class act after his defeat, and Lima for being a gracious victor. Like Raymond Daniels above, great sportsmanship all around.
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  15. Grond

    Grond Valued Member

    What does that even mean, "goldfish memories"?
  16. Dead_pool

    Dead_pool Spes mea in nihil Deus MAP 2017 Moi Award

    Goldfish are popularly thought to have no long term memory.

    I can't remember who first said it though......
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  17. Smitfire

    Smitfire Cactus Schlong

    Actually I've just watched a video that shows what actually happened was that MVP was attempting to counter Lima's low kick but muffed it. I think this is right.
    MVP was attempting to land a straight punch down the pipe in response to a low kick. A common counter to low kicking that has worked multiple times.
    However rather than plant the lead leg, brace and let the kick ride up the thigh he was doing his leaping in thing so there was no weight on the leg.
    The low kick was also a low-low kick (almost calf iirc) and from a distance. As such the punch fell short and his leg was punted out from under him.
    And then rather than sit back into guard MVP tried to get up right in front of his man and paid the price.
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  18. Unreal Combat

    Unreal Combat Valued Member

    Low calf kicks and foot sweeps are really disruptive against people who fight in a wide side on stance. You can dismantle an opponents balance fairly easily if you know what you are doing.

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