Some new yiquan clips

Discussion in 'Internal Martial Arts' started by dacheng, Jul 6, 2008.

  1. dacheng

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  2. Fire-quan

    Fire-quan Banned Banned


    I have some words on those - it's nice to see some training done more realistically. I like to train just like that.

    In my own coaching methodology, I have two principles that are relevant here - one is that we should never train bad habits, and two, is that true coaching principles are true for all people at all times - no matter who they are, how good they are, or how good what they are already doing is.

    It doesn't matter who I am, who they are, who is better - correct coaching principles are simply true, always.

    I liked what I saw, but as a coaching principle - a true coaching principle - they shouldn't have such a "gentleman's agreement" about their sparring, meaning, if they both tie up in a grapple, it's wrong to both let go because it's out of their "comfort zone" to carry on - that wouldn't necessarily happen in a real fight. You should fight your way out, and the coach should encourage that.

    If I get you in a head lock, I won't let go until it's established that you've failed and I've won.

    Same if one person is thrown on the floor, or in to the wall, or thrown back - you shouldn't just walk away, becasue that trains the expectation that that will happen. Having had a fight where that happened, I can say, I got a kicking - you have to train no genetleman's agreement - you have to train for what will really happen.

    Otherwise, it's training bad habits and a false "telemetry" of fighting.

    Even if someone turns their back, you should keep hitting until they fight back. If you push them away you should keep going, not stop.

    Doesn't matter who it is training, or how great they are - correct coaching principles are always true. If you're training for real fighting, you have to "map" the territory correctly at all times.

    In this case - I like what I'm seeing - that's certainly more realistic than the usual Yiquan stuff I see. I would still like to see even better opponents - Yiquan, like all martial arts, tends to stay very within its comfort zone for the most part, i.e. doing push hands with, say, grapplers would be interesting to see, or boxing with boxers and high level san da players.

    Grapplers are going to do different things, go for different grabs, take downs etc. And if all you've trained for is to let go once you're grabbed up, you've had it.

    Still - cool - I really like that guy. Coaching principles are nothing personal; they're just always true - and never train bad habits if possible is the truest of them all.
  3. dacheng

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  4. cloudz

    cloudz Valued Member

    That's good advice Firequan. I've notice that in my own training. at certain points "we" go into kind of reset mode, and i havn't trained the ground & pound into me yet.. So it never comes out looking back at what are appropriate times, other than say a few sporadic occasions when I remember..

    That could definitely become a bad habit (if it isn't already). Half the way is to first recognise where you can make changes, then work on it. Those are just things I've picked up on watching some of those sparring clips with guys who like to continue on the floor for example. Without that trying out with other styles, i think it's easy to overlook certain aspects of your game and stay in your "box" / training paradigm.

    Good stuff.

    Something else about bad habits Tim Cartmell mentions. You can't really get rid of your bad habits - you can only re train yourself with good habits.
  5. Fire-quan

    Fire-quan Banned Banned

    Well that's certainly another true coaching principle.

    Every training method has its up-side and down-side, and once we recognise that, we can take steps to minimise the downside. Like, people hit a bag, then stop it after every combo with a lazy-push, rather than keeping "alive" as they move round the bag. For the good stuff that they are training, they are also training something bad at the same time.

    In sparring, that "genetleman's agreement" is the first thing to be cut. As long as we've stepped up, and we've not actually called a halt to the spar - say, for you (general) to put your glove back on - then we're sparring. If you turn your back on me - I hit you. If you grab a hold of me, then just let go - I take advantage. If you think that because we've come to a grapple and we're getting no where that we're just going to part and "re set", well, as you step back, I hit you.

    One thing lots of people do is "re-set" after a brief exchange of combinations. Why? Often even turning their backs as they go back to some imaginary "start position", like a football kick-off.

    We each do one another a favour by refusing to honour gentleman's agreements in sparring. I especially want to hit you when you think you shouldn't be hit. And you especially benefit from that.
  6. Fire-quan

    Fire-quan Banned Banned

    By the by, I bet you'd like sparring with them, Cloudz! I'd like to see them try and put you down that easy.
  7. dacheng

    dacheng Banned Banned

    Some new clips from Zhongyi Wuguan classes

    Fa quan
    [ame=""]Yiquan Training 07-21 pt1 - Fa Quan Punching - YouTube[/ame]

    Fa quan, fa li
    [ame=""]Yiquan Training 07-21 pt2 - Fali - YouTube[/ame]
    [ame=""]Yiquan Training 07-21 pt3 - FaLi PiFa - YouTube[/ame]

    Shi li, zuan quan
    [ame=""]Yiquan Training 07-21 pt4 - FuAn ShiLi Zuan Quan - YouTube[/ame]

    Fa li, tui shou
    [ame=""]Yiquan Training 07-21 pt5 - FaLi TuiShou - YouTube[/ame]

    Tui shou, fa li
    [ame=""]Yiquan Training 07-21 pt6 - TuiShou XiaFaLi - YouTube[/ame]

    Fa li
    [ame=""]Yiquan Training 07-21 pt7 - XiaFaLi - YouTube[/ame]
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  9. dacheng

    dacheng Banned Banned

    Yao Chengrong - introduction to san shou

    [ame=""]Yiquan Training 07-29 pt3 San Shou - YouTube[/ame]
  10. dacheng

    dacheng Banned Banned

    Yao Chengguang demonstrating jianwu - yiquan dance

    [ame=""]姚承光先生æ„拳å¥èˆž - YouTube[/ame]
  11. dacheng

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  13. dacheng

    dacheng Banned Banned

    Yao Chengguang - tui shou

    [ame=""]YouTube - 4-中日推手.wmv[/ame]
  14. inthespirit

    inthespirit ignant

    Nice clip Dacheng. Have you tried this practice with Master Yao? I'm just curious, are there no gaps in his defence during this practice or are the students just not attacking as much as he is?
  15. dacheng

    dacheng Banned Banned

    Anything is depending on the difference of level. As for me, of course it was different thing years ago, when I started learning from him, different when he taught me the right principles.
  16. dacheng

    dacheng Banned Banned

    From Cui Ruibin's school

    [ame=""]YouTube - Yiquan from Warriors of China Movie. Empty Mind Films[/ame]
  17. dacheng

    dacheng Banned Banned

    Cui Fushan learned from Bu Enfu and also from Yao Zongxun. Bu Enfu did yiquan + western boxing + shuaijiao

    [ame=""]YouTube - Cui Fushan, Tuishou at the park, part 1[/ame]

    [ame=""]YouTube - Cui Fushan, Tuishou at the park, part 2[/ame]
  18. cloudz

    cloudz Valued Member

    Well heck if that ain't a pretty darn sweet combo right there!
  19. dacheng

    dacheng Banned Banned

    One of basic program exercises

    [ame=""]YouTube - 20081229-6[/ame]
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    dacheng Banned Banned

    [ame=""]YouTube - 20081229-1[/ame]

    [ame=""]YouTube - 20081229-2[/ame]

    [ame=""]YouTube - 20081229-3[/ame]

    [ame=""]YouTube - 20081229-4[/ame]

    [ame=""]YouTube - 20081229-5[/ame]

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