Sobering video

Discussion in 'Self Defence' started by Please reality, Mar 7, 2015.

  1. Please reality

    Please reality Back to basics

    This footage reminds us that a fistfight can turn into a life or death encounter with violence in the blink of an eye. The footage is graphic, so bear that in mind if you choose to watch it.

    [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPcCaGAjv1I"]LiveLeak Channel - Guy in a fight suddenly stabbed to death - YouTube[/ame]

    Please share your thoughts. In my mind, it reinforced the belief that maintaining awareness and mobility at all times was vital.
     
  2. SWC Sifu Ben

    SWC Sifu Ben I am the law

    A very sad and a sobering reminder of the first law of self defense. If you can, run.

    There was everywhere in the world for him to run to. He chose to fight. It was the wrong choice for multiple reasons and sadly he paid the ultimate price for it.

    It's incredibly stupid that what was likely an ego fueled brawl had to turn murderous.
     
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  3. Rebel Wado

    Rebel Wado Valued Member

    Sucks. There isn't much you can do when cowards have no honor.
     
  4. Dead_pool

    Dead_pool the merc with the mouth MAP 2017 Moi Award

    That wasnt a double leg, he defended a rugby tackle type attack and rode the energy but still ended up with underneath the tshirt clad guy, the third person took aadvantage of this to murder him Whilst he wwas loosing.

    The best option here would not be fighting in the first place, fighting 2 people at a time, with at least one armed and willing to murder you, even when your losing, no art can prepare you for. Its not like arts that dont work well 1 on 1 magically start working 2 on 1 with weapons.
     
  5. Moi

    Moi Warriors live forever x

    Need more info. Running looks like a good idea but without knowing any history it might not be a viable option.
    This lad had none

     
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  6. Simon

    Simon Moved on Admin Supporter MAP 2017 Koyo Award

    MOD Note.

    The posting of the original graphic video was approved by the MOD Team providing the relevant warnings were in place and discussion took place in the self defence forum.

    Posting of such videos elsewhere on MAP will need to fall within our ToS.

    In this case please make sure you add the relevant warnings and use spoilers.

    I know jwt uses such videos in his lectures and I personally like to use the term "blade awareness", rather than knife self defence.

    These videos certainly make you aware of just how horrific and sudden these attacks are.
     
  7. Pretty In Pink

    Pretty In Pink Valued Member MAP 2017 Gold Award

    May the man rest in peace.
     
  8. Please reality

    Please reality Back to basics

    Not sure the guy in the shirt was trying to throw him, more like a wild grab to stop the barrage of punches coming his way. In response, the guy who got stabbed threw him down(not quite a suplex or any particular throw) on top of himself. He wasn't really losing, from a fighting perspective(very different from a self defense perspective). They were both pretty bad on their feet and the shirtless guy got the takedown. However, on your back with a guy on top of you and your arms wrapped around him was not the place he wanted to be unfortunately.

    He had several options to disengage before the fight went to the ground, but this is a good reminder that fighting shouldn't be taken lightly, no matter what art you train in(or if you train at all).

    Simon brought up a good point too. Once the throw happened, there was only about a second or so before the bystander began his assault, first slashing the wrist on his hand so he couldn't fight back as well, then stabbing his front and back. He wasn't even half able to stand up after that. The speed and ferocity of the knifing made mounting a defense at that stage practically impossible. Assuming that your opponent is armed and has friends from the beginning is the only tactical mindset that might have made a difference in this case.
     
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  9. Matt F

    Matt F Valued Member

    I'm not entirely sure there's any relevance to any style or way of teaching in martial arts...more simply being a sound human and trying not to get into fights and if you do, violence is unpredictable ,chaotic and not nice and it can go bad.
    That was unforseen terrible, terrible bad luck....a psycho standing by who decides to do that....balls to any instructor who now wants to attach their way to that incident.
    I don't like the holier than thou attitude either of he should of this or that...humans just are ....we do things as we have emotions. So what ,they had a fight. They decided to do. It happens , has happened and will happen. The rest is worst case scenario ,which ,yes, every one should be aware of if they decide to fight...but there's no special physical technique or way to deal with that.
     
  10. Please reality

    Please reality Back to basics

    That's one way to look at it, but then what is the point of doing martial arts? Some people have to deal with real violence at work(LEOs for example) or because of their environment. Police responding to domestic violence calls may have to deal with one spouse suddenly attacking them while they try to calm down the other spouse.

    We are human and all have emotions, but we also have brains. So if we want to deal with emotional issues like violence, best to use our intellect. Not trying to create the ultimate technique because there isn't one, but clearly we should always be thinking of better ways to deal with situations in case we find ourselves in one.

    Thinking you're in a fight instead of dealing with a violent encounter is an example of this. A different mindset might have led to a different outcome in this case and others.
     
  11. Dead_pool

    Dead_pool the merc with the mouth MAP 2017 Moi Award

    Surely a violent encounter is also a fight, the words mean the same.

    If you mean social violence vs asocial violence then maybe you have a point.

    But fighting is fighting really, what differs is when it ends, social violence ends when someone is not a threat, asocial violence ends when someone is dead
     
  12. Rebel Wado

    Rebel Wado Valued Member

    There is a relevance to teaching in martial arts, but I agree that it isn't particularly relevant to a style. In another thread, RP talked about mindset.

    Mindset is important but it can get someone into as much trouble as it can get them out of it. Depends on how a mindset corresponds with practical application. Practical application is developed through education, training, and experience. With experience often being the most important factor.

    Education = Don't take a fight to the ground unless it is safe to do so
    Experience = What happened in the video

    Training = In training, re-enact what happened in the video... learn and adapt

    So teaching in martial arts is relevant. How many teach the scenario that represents what happened in the video as part of their training?

    A mindset is none of the above, a mindset is "never give up" and comes from statistical data of what the mindset is of the majority of people that survive knife attacks.
     

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