Skill acquisition/Skill application

Discussion in 'Ninjutsu' started by Smitfire, Mar 6, 2014.

  1. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    Significantly, it is also in alignment with a lot of what I believe to be Hatsumi's business model and teaching method
     
  2. hatsie

    hatsie Active Member Supporter

    Can you elaborate please?
     
  3. Smitfire

    Smitfire Cactus Schlong

    One of the best posts about it to be honest.
     
  4. Dunc

    Dunc Well-Known Member Moderator Supporter

    Maybe sometimes

    I think it's meant to be something like "Once you've gotten to grips with the basics, then here's something to think about". Of course nowadays people sit the test before that and the number of people who shine when taking the test is low

    As usual in the buj it's wrapped up in a test of character (of the testee, their teacher and the person giving the test)....
     
  5. hatsie

    hatsie Active Member Supporter

    I wonder who will get the 1000 th post! ( that wouldn't be sakki btw :D)
     
  6. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    I have said it several times before, but I believe Hatsumi fleeces foreigners for as much money as he can and gives away ranks like sweets to those who's cheque clears. He also gives what he teaches just enough cocoa to make the cake taste of chocolate

    I also believe he also has a small cadre of people who are - if not "close" to him exactly - study more direct and effacious teachings and get a direct transmission of the system
     
    Last edited: Mar 25, 2014
  7. Dunc

    Dunc Well-Known Member Moderator Supporter

    I think it's a bit different

    It seems to me that he transmits everything that you need. Although never exactly "on a plate" he & his top guys are very generous in the information that they put out there & pass on. However, and here's the rub, your development is up to you - It's sink or swim

    Stories of the lion throwing their cubs into a deep valley, welcoming those who made it back, only raising the ones who were able to survive etc etc
     
  8. Count Duckula

    Count Duckula Valued Member

    Bleh. That is putting an awfully rose colored view on it. The reality is there are legions of megadans who really suck. What they 'need' is a reality check and an understanding of solid basics. What they get is a megadan, and Hatsumi sensei gets a load of cash. Everyone wins.

    If those people were 'thrown in a deep valley' most of them would not make it :)
     
  9. Dunc

    Dunc Well-Known Member Moderator Supporter

    That's kinda the definition of sink or swim - no?
     
    Last edited: Mar 25, 2014
  10. Kave

    Kave Lunatic

    In every art skill development is up to the individual, some people will put in the effort and a lot of people wont. The problem is that in the Bujinkan you have people putting in many years of hard work, spending huge sums of money on instruction and grading as well as regular flights overseas to get to "the source". During the course of their training they are consistently given higher grades, with many of these grades being given by the head of the art himself. Still, after all this effort and money and recognition by Hatsumi himself, most couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag.

    If someone came to the gym I train at and put in 5 years of hard effort, I would guarantee that at the end of the 5 years they would be a far more capable fighter than when they began training. People can put in 20 years of training in the Bujinkan and end up with a 15th Dan, an empty wallet and no usable skills.
     
  11. Dunc

    Dunc Well-Known Member Moderator Supporter

    Well some people turn up to his class, ignore what he says you need to do to develop and as a result don't really develop much. They do progress a bit and gain some useable skills despite their lack of real commitment (I disagree with you here, everything is on a scale) and they leave happy with a "keep going" reward

    The alternative (most arts) is pretty much the same, but without the keep on trying and leaving happy bit
     
  12. Pankeeki

    Pankeeki Valued Member

    If you knew Hatsumi sensei you would know that he cares not for money.
    He makes money through the BJK but he spends little or no money, he has no children so he doesn't need to leave an inheritance to family. I think most of it is going to charity or is given away.
    He lives a very modest life.
     
  13. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    In a purpose built training hall in Japan where property values are high in the cities.....

    Frankly I believe none of that
     
  14. Smitfire

    Smitfire Cactus Schlong

    Purple hair dye doesn't buy itself. :)
     
  15. Simon

    Simon Administrator Admin Supporter MAP 2017 Koyo Award

    Sadly this is the bit I cannot replicate at the MAP Meet. :cry:
     
  16. Pankeeki

    Pankeeki Valued Member

    Its in a little village called Noda, where property prices are not so high and the dojo is rented, not property
     
  17. Smitfire

    Smitfire Cactus Schlong

    Says Noda is a city with a population of 155,644 on wiki?
    I think I live in a little village and wiki says its population was 1,212 in 2001.
    They must make little villages mighty big in Japan. :)
     
  18. StooXex

    StooXex Valued Member

    Surely you can pick up a purple wig?

    <runs and hides>
     
  19. Dunc

    Dunc Well-Known Member Moderator Supporter

    It's more like a shed next to a railway line in a grotty part of an uninspiring town that smells of soy sauce and is 1+ hours travel away from Tokyo
     
  20. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    Fair enough....somewhere i had it in my head it was a purpose built dojo

    I will happily concede the point on that

    But if money is not important, where does it all go? Because those grades ain't cheap are they?
     

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