callsignfuzzy: awesome post As for grion shots yes they hurt we all know that but they are not the mythical instant fight ender some people seem to make them out to be, mostly they just get the other guy really mad. (so is BJJers Vs Ninjas the new Pirates Vs Ninjas?)
oh and sorry for the double post but to return to my previous point, yes there does seem to be some ninjutsu schools out there who train hard and may produce some decent fighters. However my problem is that it essentualy just looks like JJJ with a few aestetic touches, black gi ect. that only seem to be there to cater to the fantasy idea of being a ninja, with no real basis in proper historical fact.
So because something isn't apparent to you on first appearance, it doesn't exist? It's that mindset of mental lethargy which means ninpo is not for you.
hehehe trust me this is not just a first glance assessment as a kid I totally wanted to be a ninja (just like all 13 year old boys I suspect) but all serious inquiry and investigation into both the historical basis of ninjitsu and the training practices of its modern counterpart have left me very skeptical and disappointed. Seeing as how I've never seen a ninjutsu practitioner display any particular skill that would not be imparted just as easily (and in many cases more effectively) by other MA or produce any sort of proof that their training methods/techniques can be traced to real "ninjas", if such a thing did truly exist in a way at all similar to the fashion that we think of it today. As such I remain skeptical until proper empirical proof is provided to the contrary. Also mental lethargy? I'm working on my masters in philosophy if I was mentally lethargic I seriously doubt I would have gotten this far Sorry for going off topic here but I think this can illistrate a point, ninjas=popular because of style BJJ=popular because of substance
That must have been really hard for you, after dedicating so much time to... errr... what exactly? Watching youtube videos? What about people who crosstrain with arts like muay thai & silat.. are they just wannabe ninjas too? It seems to me like your judging everyone by your own standards. I know people that are wannabe ninjas and I know how ridiculous that is, but you shouldn't judge an art from a minority. I never discuss lineage or japanese history, it's simply of little interest to me, I have other subjects I'd rather pursue. As for your "inquiry", did it get you as far as recognising the differences in training style between different schools and of course dojos? Did you ever train? ... if so.. who with? I know philosophy masters students from my own university who couldnt be trusted to make eggs on toast. Success in the modern socialised education system far from proves intelligence my friend. It certainly churns out some good parrots though. Not saying thats you but it seemed like a strange way to justify your opinion. Which you are entitled to air of course. You have illiterate-strated a fantastic point. Sorry that's a cheap shot but hey... that's what ninjutsu is about sometimes.
Blah, Blah, Blah So with all this boxing and MT what is your competition record? Also where is your grappling background. Anything other than a competition record or valid ranking in a "FIGHTING ART" not a martial art has no validity. Who you trained with means little. Hell I trained and grappled with Randy Couture does that make me a bad ass? No I just payed my money and showed up. He could have whipped my butt with one hand tied behind his back and other one in a sling! As regard how big and tough you are as compared to us, you have no idea of our size and conditioning.To make claims such as this shows only ignorance.
Oh my god, such a great master in this humble thread. [sarcasm] You are a stroke by the way you talk. If you WERE such an accomplished martial artist, you wouldn't be making such retarded comments about BJJ. Insted you are an ignorant fool, who tries to make it sound like he's the world's most accomplished martial artist. Well I ain't buying it. Take it somewhere else. I bet a low level blue belt would rip your freaking arm off. Once again, post less, train more.
right right... roar Im a smart-ass pompous dick rah rah.... You sound like bullshido. Or maybe even /b/ You're such a nutrider!!!! GRASP them ever so tightly! Because i came up with a different conclusion than you about BJJ (though what conclusion was that again? That they suck against unorthodox techniques? hmmmmmmm) it means I dont know what Im talking about? WOW! Ok, so unless you agree with what you or con says, it means you make retarded comments. Ok, I'll keep that in mind for the future. But.... it still makes no sense. Are you just typing out rehashed insults from other threads regardless if they pertain to the conversation? Didnt I just say I train every day? Its incredibly sad you think so.
This is sounding awesome, I think there should be a battle, then the most promising student of the defeated master could swear revenge! Wrap in a hilariously tacky love story and some kind of secret training in an exotic location and we could have a movie winner here! Banpen seems outnumbered so I guess he must be the good guy... which is a shame because that means you have to lose so that your good guy student can defeat the bad master, connovar. Sorry banpen but logically... this is a fight you cannot win!
We cant help but notice you are still avoiding answering the question as to external validation of your fighting skills. Is there a problem there that you are not willing to tell us about. Let me help you. For validated fightings skills I am throwing out my Dan rankings in three different styles (Kajukempo, JJJ, Taekwondo), training in multiple MA and Close combat systems, my training in boxing (because I didnt compete), my time in submission wresting (because I didnt compete and no ranking system.) Essentially that leaves me with my high school wrestling record ofclose to 40 years ago (and little relevance IMO) and my blue belt in BJJ award by Alexandre Paive 4th Dan. Our club (Keith Owens Jiu-Jitsu) does quite well at places such as grapplers quest etc. Recently one of my fellow Blue Belts took first place in his division at the Pan Am games. I would say that I am probably smack in the middle of all the blue belts as regards rolling ability.That gives me lots of real experience against tough fighters twice per week. I am also now 54 and still hanging with the young guys quite well. So whats your story or will you avoid the question again?
Well I'll answer the question instead... personally I think I'm better than both of you Why? I've seen ong bak.. twice. I can lift a mug of earl grey without tiring and I worked in an old peoples home, a really rough one too. Every hour I duel with time bandits from the twelftieth dimension and if my life were made into a movie, I would be played by Brad Pitt crossbred with Bruce Lee. If that isn't enough for you... I will play the ace up my sleeve. I.AM.NOT.AFRAID.TO.WEAR.SPANDEX. Your so-called achievements mean nothing to me.
Coming in at the tail end here but Banpen out of all the arts you listed none are noted for their proficiency in grappling. This suggests you might not have the experience necessary to judge what will and will not be effective against good grapplers.
Actually the jujutsu in the ryuha from the Genbukan/Bujinkan are pretty well though of as far as grappling goes. (Kukishin and takagi yoshin ryu specifically) In fact, grappling is pretty much all I did in my ninpo days. Throwing people around is my favvvorrrittteee... As far as ground fighting, I suppose you're right. Training in ninpo and using its principles on the ground and few classes of BJJ along with sparring with BJJ/Judo friends for some years is about all the experience I have. But then again, Ive never been on the ground in any of the fights Ive been in IRL, so I suppose Im doing something right to stay on my feet. And to address the competition thing: Ive never really been interested in official competition. I was in a TKD tournament and got 3rd out of 60 or so, Ive been in spars and competitions amongst local gyms and between people from my own gym, but nothing where there is a crowd other than parents, friends, and relatives. But thats perfectly fine with me. I dont need to have ANY official competition to be a good fighter. Thats not how fighting works. I mean... Im no Kimbo or anything, but Im pretty sure he didnt have anything resembling a record for quite a while either. Edit: I suppose I should point out that I was sparring with a good Judo player, a high school wrestling champ, as well as a BJJ guy with over a year's experience (at the time) on a weekly basis, testing out these fantasy-land techniques that apparently dont work (amongst other things of course... like actual ground fighting and positioning)
I was taking the michael out of the both of you for being so ready to posture. I have nothing to prove to you. Personal Insults removed
Watch the personal insults fellas. We are all discussing martial arts on the internet so no-one's really in a position to throw insults about that. Regardless though it doesn't matter whether you agree or not because it's not permitted. Cut out the insults.
Your background would then be classified as garage grappling. Not necessarily bad if thats all thats available because you do the best you can with what is available. However if you have established and well taught grappling programs in your area and you dont take advantage of them it is very suspicious as to why. You certainly could go there one day a week rather than grapple in the garage. My experience with most garage grapplers is that they have a big ego problem. They really cannot tolerate losing. So they stick with some preselected friends etc and only grapple within their comfort level. In good "fighting " training you lose a lot and often. As you get better skills you lose less but their is always someone better not to mention you should be then working on more advanced techniques which opens you up to failure against less advanced fighters. Its interesting IMO that MA's in which practioners talk about fighting multiple opponents and weapons etc etc is that usually it comes from the non sparring or contact sparring practioners. They have not experienced enough failure to know that it happens and happens frequently. They also have unrealistic expectations on the effects of pain compliance techniques such as eye gouges, groind strikes small joint manipulation against someone who is fighting back hard. For example its not uncommon to get digit fractures during a match and not even notice it much untill the match is over. When the adrenalin is flowing pain tolerance generally improves often greatly. On the other hand unless you have been struck hard repeatedly yet had to still to react despite the incoming blows, there is a great tendency to freeze or just curl up. Obviously knock out blows are going to be a knock out blow but those usually arent the first blow recieved. Its failing to intelligently to protect yourself against the first blow that usually sets you up for the knockout. The type of sparring you experience with boxing, MT, MMA etc help you develop this.
