alright... thats fair. I can accept that as a counterpoint. But say for example you have some random poster from Style A.. assuming his style is somewhat known and there are other people that practice that same style on here. Assume he makes some wild claims. Obviously the person practicing the same style is going to say "Hey dude.. thats incorrect. stop spouting incorrect information about our style." And usually.. USUALLY, it ends at that. Now take Style B... which has had several people come on here and make wild flamboyantly unrational claims about their style, and then have other people who practice it come on and verify the incorrect information that was said and add to it with even more wild claims, even when it flies in the face of rational common sense. See where we're coming from? If Shou Shu wants to be taken seriously, lets see some evidence pointing to anything but what we've come to see and expect from this style. Its one thing to just randomly bash a style, but the history, the teacher, curriculum and even the students point to it being a general fraud and a crock of warm turd soup. I mean.. It'd be one thing if there was a few instances of shou shu'ers coming on here and spouting off some nonsense and getting corrected. But all of them have come on here with that nonsense.. Who do you think is feeding it to them? Think they're coming up with it on their own? No.. they're being spoon fed crap, more than likely by Moore himself and then trying to pass it off on actually knowledgable people and getting checked.. HARD.