Self promotion or joining an outside organization. Which is better? History proves that we’ve learned these practices from our seniors. So it is not new and this isn’t intended to be an argument. I just want to know why we as individual martial artists are expected to walk a path superior to our seniors? There is no clean lineage. Why the bad mouthing of those who walk a different path? This is ********! I think for some, joining an outside organization is the right choice. I know for a fact that Jeff Speakmans AKKS promotional board is overseen by my current Headmaster who Jeff calls a legendary master. Why would he do that? He’s not the only one. Tom Kelley is also under this same Grandmaster. Read the 2nd paragraph of this bio: http://www.jeffspeakman.com/speakmanbio.htm Hanshi is a respectable man, a great instructor and a proven "guide" for martial artists who need guidance. Organizations overlap in many ways and I think it is much more respectable to go to an outside organization that to self promote oneself. If this thread gets out of hand, to prove my point I will produce the needed dirt. For those who wish to continue with the badmouthing, know that we ALL need to pay the piper sooner or later. I don’t take back what I say and I don’t care what certain individuals think. I just think that it is hypocritical to think that we are bound to walk a cleaner path than our seniors upline to ALL of us. This is American martial arts. Take it or leave it but it is what it is. I think it’s a much bigger problem with the schools that promote their students with the false belief that they can fight. The bottom line is, I haven’t promoted anyone who couldn’t fight. Can any of the schools reading this say that?