Discussion in 'Off Topic Area' started by Chimpcheng, Jul 23, 2011.
She COULD get the help - she had all the help and money in the world...she just didn't want it
Addiction is a strange disease. We've seen over and over that some people, for whatever reason, are more prone to drug, alcohol or other diseases. You can have all the money in the world, won't make a difference. It's easy for us to look down on addicts and say "well just stop". Much more complicated than that.
Hey I see it and deal with it every day. I could tell you tales that would make you weep and laugh at the same time
No-one is saying it is easy, but equally I am not going to weep over somebody who refuses to get the help they need when it is handed on a plate.
Like I said, a waste not a tragedy
I don't look at addicts and say 'well just stop', I look at people and say 'just don't start'. Every heroine addict had to agree to take it for the first time.
If she had wanted to get clean she could have at least made an effort. She didn't, it killed her. We spend too much time blaming the addiction for the actions of the addict and the result of that is people ending up dead because they weren't given the help they needed rather than the help they wanted.
People like Amy Winehouse die everyday. We just don't care to hear about most of them.
Custodial detox and education would be a start
Some people are just plain self-destructive, and I think Amy Winehouse was one of them.
When I heard the news I was saddened, but not at all surprised.
Waste of a life, waste of talent, waste of what was once a beautiful woman - but we knew all that already long before she died.
i generally agree with you hannibal. it's sad and/or pathetic when this type of thing happens.
That's something that always gets me about most addicts.
(edit...some people are forced into addiction...particularly in the sex trade...or as the children of addicts)
i'm not making excuses for these people, but some people are more prone to 'experiment', for lack of a better word.
look, i started smoking when i was 12. used to be i could ride my bike up the gas station, buy a pack of smokes (this was 1982), and no one batted an eye. i thought it was cool because every adult i knew smoked, and every movie star or rock star i knew smoked. started smoking a pack a day when i was 17 until 35. we're talking about having a horrible addiction that is probably going to kill me. now, looking back, i could say "why did i ever start?", but it's much more complicated than that.
maybe my anecdote is not the best, and i'm not making excuses for heroin or hard-drug addicts, but do you see my point? i drink beer. it's fine line for some people to become full on alcoholics. do you say to them "don't start drinking"?
I think there's a world of difference between how addictive heroin is compared to alcohol.
No idea on the actual figures but I've heard that heroin is quite "morish"?
Also I'd wager the percentage of people that get addicted after a few goes is vastly different between heroin and alcohol.
As far as I'm concerned complaining about being a heroin addict (if you start heroin as an adult) is like complaining about gravity when you decide to step off a cliff.
You don't have to be a rocket scientist to work out either course of action is not gonna go well.
I think I finally get why people call addiction a disease.
Because there is a difference between dependence on a substance and addiction.
What is sadder than her death is the way she lived her life and wasted her obvious talent.
She always reminded me of the quote that I think was from Ozzy Osbourne talking about Black Sabbath: "We weren't a rock band that sometimes took drugs; we were a drugs band that sometimes played music".
She clearly started out with a great voice, but so much of her fame was due to her excesses and she ended up ruining her ability to perform her songs anyway. Definitely sad.
I had just told my sons that. Who didn't see this coming. The last few pics of her I had seen she was either drunk, high, or both.
Shame, she had an awesome voice and is unfortunately just one in a string of great singers who died before their time.
RIP Amy Winehouse. May she finally rest in peace.
So far there has been no post mortem results.Assuming her death was drug related,and in view of her appearance in recent weeks I would have thought the danger signals were there for all to see.
Despite these signals no one seems to have felt a need to supervise Amy 24/7.Somebody must know how/when /where she got her drugs.Where were her family and friends?Since apparently Amy [sad to say ] could not cope, why didnt anyone give her the support she obviously needed?So much talent, money yet she dies possibly alone.Its too tragic for words.
Again she had ALL the help and support in the world - she just did not want it or take it. The problem with being rich is you never hit rock bottom
Her choice, but like I said before a waste, not a tragedy
A 27 year old person is old enough that if she refuses treatment she refuses. No one should need to babysit her, she was a grown woman who knew what she was doing. No one forced her to snort a drug or stick a needle in her arm. She everything going for her and still decided to throw her life in the toilet. I have very little patience for people like this, they are offered help and they refuse it. Even though I'm sad to see her pass away, it was her choice.
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