Yes, I agree with this. Yes, there is this, too. In the New UU classes, it's usually described as a stage that converts go through, when they are angry at whatever religion they were raised in / practiced previously. Understood. I've seen this too. I try not to hang out with those people, whether their faiths are similar to mine or not. In my experience, many of them are self-taught and/or ungrounded. I would not have followed my path if I had not found faithful people within it. I understand you will probably have to know me better to believe this, but I also am a person of faith. My faith is not yours, nonetheless it calls me to integrity and service. And this is definitely important. Energy work is useless if you don't do the legwork, the physical labor. Kinda like Henry David Thoreau: "If you have built castles in the air, the work need not be lost; that is where they should be. Now put the foundation under them." Energy healing is no substitute for medical care, I agree with you there. I also agree with you that what we do needs to be rooted in the real world, present moment, here and now. Beyond that, can we agree to disagree?