Rapists- Deserving of mercy?

I've seen first hand what rape can do (not myself btw) as well as destroying the person for a long and prolonged period of time it will take something away from that person forever that person will never ever be the same again, it also destroys their relationships and the people around them family freinds....however these things CAN be recovered from .....never forgotten though.

As for punishment for the rapist imho this person looking in the mirror every morning whoever he/she may be and seeing themselves for what they are, knowing what they have done and knowing what theyve taken from a life........Is this not punsihment enough? they will never rest.

I think so.

Im not saying that a hefty prison sentence is not justified though.
But in a lot of cases it doesn't happen.

skc

 

Physical castration would remove the testicals and the desire to rape someone... in the strict sense of the word. From the little I've read on physical castration it reduces the amount of agression by removing the source of testosterone. Whether or not it removes all agression.. I'm not sure.

The reason I say that is that at one point in China's bloody history they were being ruled primarily by eunich's... castrated court advisors who held much of the real power. Admiral Zheng He was reportedly a eunich. Many bodyguards in palaces and harems throughout history have been eunichs.

So if they had no agression could they be as effective as they were as bodyguards... I dunno. Good question. Is there even a correlation to being something like a palace guard and being agressive or not due to castration... jeez... I have no idea.

As for chemical castration... it's been done... not only by Nazi Germany (who... lol... probably wouldn't be the first studies you'd want to site when proposing chemical castration as a government policy) - there have even been 'voluntary' castrations. Google it and there's plenty of info and debate on it. Chemically I believe it also cuts the amount of testosterone produced by the body... now if that is the same as just cramming down a handful of progesterone pills... I dunno... luckily I never tried.

An interesting issue that has been brought up is the number of false convictions that have been overturned for rape and murder... much of these only in the past 10 years due to DNA analysis. So everyone that is jumping on the knee jerk - execute rapist's bandwagon... they haven't thought it out very well... nothing is ever quite as black and white as everyone wants to believe.

 

Do you think they care?

 

It's the only thing some people can hold onto....

skc

 

*taking off the devils advocate suit temporarily*

I disagree... there are plenty of people out there who sleep better than babies do after having raped/molested/murdered someone. There are people out there who plain do not give a rat's ass about things like that.

So in short... NO... expecting the rapist to somehow feel so guilty about what he's done in the past that we should consider it punishment enough is hardly the way to go about punishing rapists or forumulating laws to deal with such situations.

You are coming at it from a very naive (not intended as a jab) stance. Spend any amount of time in criminal court/state pen/state work camp and you'll run across people who couldn't care less about human life... let alone the feelings of others.

 

I know of a rapist who have commited the crime and got off this person lives round the corner from the person the raped. I'm not saying this is in any way correct what im saying is if people wanted repentance it would have happened by now and what would that solve another trial and possible even this time ...a conviction nothing one big messy circle.

I know off non rapists being accused of the crime get convicted i sat in the court and watched the judges face all i saw disbeleif this same person changed prison recently he was having the evidence against him re read....the person reading the evidence actually said she couldnt beleive they convicted him......everything clashed she could obviously see the lies......yet eh got sent down for 3 years.

In both cases all these victims have is the hope that these sick people will feel remorse a punishment in its own form because in these cases no other punishment has been rewarded for their crimes.
castration etc and all the other things mentioned in this thread as punishment is stupid trying to solve a crime with a crime DOES NOT WORK it will be an endless messy circle. However trying to solve it with your mind is the best way deal with it move on get on with it its how most of us have to deal with life in general anyway.



Btw STJ no offense taken.

And these are my views based upon my experiences of sexual assault and lack of im not attempting to say all rapists feel remorsre as history knows this not to be true maybe i should have posted better in the first place.

skc

 

As I think I mentioned in another thread, I'm "planning" on specializing in sexual assault as I work toward my mental health counseling credentials. I want to work on a university campus, some of which now have offices specifically for sexual assault counseling services nowadays.

On the one hand, it's obviously tragic that such a thing is necessary. On the other, I'm really glad to see that they're finally addressing something that's been happening on campus on the down low for... well, probably forever.

I'm not going to get into the "shoot all rapists" thing. But to be clear, I have no interest in counseling the offenders themselves. I believe they can be treated (to a degree), but I'm not interested in doing it. I'm interested in helping the victims and in setting up preventative measures in the first place.

I believe rape victims can "get over it" in the sense that they're able to get on with their lives. But that level of violation (particularly of trust, in the case of something like date rape) leaves a pretty indelible mark on someone. They're not ruined obviously. But they are affected. Just as we're affected by any other tragic thing that happens to us.

And based on what little experience I have on the subject so far, women don't actually want revenge. So this stuff about finding the guy and beating the crap out of him doesn't seem like it's actually help for the woman involved. I think that's more a question of the man in her life (be it father, brother, or significant other) doing something to make themselves feel better.

Rape is an act of violence. And to my limited understanding, you don't begin to heal that with another act of violence. Regardless of how morally satisfying it feels to us in theory.


Stuart

 

So does rape only happen among human, or does it happen within other life-forms as well?

I have once heard that animals never kill their own kind, only human are able to do that... does that apply to rape?

Just trying to think outside the square.

 

Well said.

 

I don't think rape is an issue in animals. Because they're driven by instinct. Whereas a rapist is driven by feelings of rage, self-hatred, etc. With instinct, everyone's on the same page generally. With rape, someone most certainly isn't.

 

Thanks shikkari. I appreciate it.

 

Personally I try not to hold prejudice and jump the gun but on the topic of rape I get mildly annoyed.
In my religion we are taught that full sex is not just a freeling but a bonding of two souls and thats why you reserve it to after marriage. Thing is, when your raped you loose that.

I think sexual predators and rapists are sick and there has to be something slightly perverse about them to want to do such an emotionally scarring thing to someone. However they dont deserve death as such but what they do in Israel (eye for an eye, tooth ... ) they castrate the rapist which is far more tormenting for them and I think britain really needs to adopt that sort of policy to clamp down on this thing.

 

Nope.none whatsoever.Last time I was banged up(prior to taking up martial arts,bit more responsible now)there were two wings that were adjacent to the nounces block and whilst us admittedly naughty boys were banged up for 23 hours a day with sod all those evil bastards were roaming about in their own clothes,with their own personal mugs till nine in the evening.And after they had finished swapping stories and photos and got banged up they sat down to watch a nice porno on the telly(these are a privilage for most other prisoners.On top of all that their sentances are ridiculous compared to others.I got 3 years for giving someone a couple of slaps,should be at least 7 for rape.Added to this most show no remorse and will be repeat offenders. :woo: :woo: :woo:

 

I'm not disagreeing with israel's law's if it works for them then that is fair enough.
But i for one would be extremely dissapointed to have my home country adopt a punsihment like that we would be rewarding violnce with violence thus cutting off our noses to spite our face
'Hey you, you stabbed him....so heeere ya go...' get the picture

So then if the person who commited said crime got said 'eye for eye' punishment and then decided wow what a good idea 'eye for eye' and commits another crime what did we acheive NOWT.

We hurt em stick em in jail they brood over loss of limb/ crown jewels whatever come out and re offend.... eye for eye punishment again... wheres it all gonna end up?

One big pointless dizzying circle.

We would just be re' creating the wheel.

skc

 

Yes, that makes sense. So we should stand aside and watch until there is actual penetration, because until that point they have not actually 'raped' the girl. Then once they penetrate we can pull them off and beat them with the wonderful feeling that we know what we did was right. So what if the girl has some life lasting emotional scarring.

In my opinion, I have to trust that I can determine when someone is about to get raped. Even if the guy was not actually going to penetrate, he is still abusing someone and in their safety space. A beating is just necessary. There is a time to be a democrat, and then there is a time to just be a man and take care of things using common sense.

 

Interesting point Slip.

I think one of the reasons people find rape so terrible to 'get over' (apart from it being inherently pretty awful) is the stigma attached to it because of it's rarity. Perhaps would feel less violated if other people didn't expect them to feel so violated. I know someone who was raped, she is now pretty happy and has got back on track with her boyfriend, but I'm sure that the extreme reactions to her rape didn't help her, the sheer shock and disgust from her friends. But what are you gonna do, just shrug it off and tell her to get over it? Catch 22.

I can't say for sure but I'd bet that a few thousand years ago, forced sex was commonplace, like it is in the animal kingdom. They don't think about their privacy or anything like that, they just get overpowered by a bigger, stronger male. Well, in most cases, unless we're talking about Black Widow spiders or something.

Unfortunately there's not much we can do about this, as we can hardly go around saying rape is OK...

Issues like rape are some of the drawbacks of higher human intellect and emotion it seems.

 

In a sesne I agree with Maverick, part of the difficulty of being raped comes from the stigma attatched and the burden that people have to carry. The victims of rape are ashamed to talk about it and generally keep it a secret because they know that some people will never look at them the same way again if they reveal what happened to them.

I think that in a way the media is guilty of making things worse foir the victims of rape, always portraying them as these completely soul destroyed victims who need to be slowly coaxed back into some vague approximation of a normal life but forever being scarred and traumitised by their experience, utter crap!

Of course the victims are distraught but some of them certainly go on to lead lives that no one could point to and say that they where the products of some deep rooted trauma caused by rape, it annoys me to see that portrayal.

 

Slindsay, is you or maverick got raped, how quickly would you get over it?

 

Slowly, very slowly.

The perosn I know also got over it slowly but she didnt become some hermit, decide her life was over or try to kill herself or anything like that, it upset her but she was and still is recovering. Unlike what I generally see in the media.

 

I think it's important to define "getting over it" then. A person doesn't have to be staring at a wall mumbling to herself for years in order to have been negatively affected by a rape. Subtler things like difficulty trusting men can easily last a lifetime.