Quan Jitsu Review: Zoom Training with 'FightHero'

Discussion in 'Other Styles' started by BJJ Enthusiast, Apr 22, 2020.

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  1. BJJ Enthusiast

    BJJ Enthusiast New Member

    Dear all,

    As promised, a quick run-down of my Zoom call with 'FightHero' (who introduced himself as Jay over webcam). Apologies as this is probably quite superficial as I'm not the most experienced martial artist myself (blue belt BJJ; ~2 years training).

    Physical Demonstrations

    Jay demonstrated what looked like some sort of palm strike on a wooden block, which appeared to shatter into a thousand pieces. He then showed what he described as a 'phoenix eye' strike, which he used to instantly crumple what looked like a can of Coke. Not particularly convinced.

    Jay then performed some 'Yang style Tai Chi', which to the untrained eye looked fairly impressive, then practising what he called a 'qigong set', explaining some of the positions along the way. Jay's demonstration finished with quite an interesting weapon set with a Tao and a katana, which looked flashy but not necessarily very practical.

    Meditative Demonstrations

    Using a fishing rod, Jay demonstrated a meditative technique where he "invoked the humble origins of Monk Wong" in order to enter a deep trance-like mental state.


    The physical demonstrations looked, to an enthusiast, quite impressive, but I wasn't convinced. I just didn't see any potential practical usage there.

    I was actually really taken (unexpectedly so) by the meditative components of the demonstration, and Jay has offered me a Monk Wong bamboo fishing rod, which I purchased from him using Google Play gift cards. I look forward to receiving my rod, which is accompanied by meditation form instructions apparently carved into an okiyo-e by none other than Monk Wong himself.
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  2. Simon

    Simon Administrator Admin Supporter MAP 2017 Koyo Award

    I have to be honest and say I think you've been done, certainly in regard to the fishing rod.

    As I've said before there are no secrets in the martial arts and anyone selling them is in my opinion selling a lie.

    With the current lockdown and the mental anguish it is causing a lot of people many instructors are giving away content for free.

    Many on here will have lineages that can be traced back 2000 years. Every single one of them will show you that family tree.

    Take a look at this thread for free online training. The first post is a 6 week course that I am using myself.

    Free Online Training
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  3. Dead_pool

    Dead_pool Spes mea in nihil Deus MAP 2017 Moi Award

    OP, I have some magic beans for sale, are you interested?
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  4. Aegis

    Aegis River Guardian Admin Supporter

    Separately to anything else, no-one should ever agree to pay someone else online using things like Google Play or Apple cards. This is a classic scammers trick because it makes the proceeds very difficult indeed to get back. This has become the preferred payment method of a very large number of scammers using refund tricks, PC "repairs", tax demands, etc. The general advice is that no-one legitimate will ever ask for payment using such a method.
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  5. Xue Sheng

    Xue Sheng All weight is underside

    So the "family" Style of Yang was Yang Style Taijiquan, Wish I had the Chinese characters of Master Wong's full name. I could actually check to see if Yang Chengfu listed him as a student, meaning, considered him, or the other guy that was mentioned, as students. Or for that matter where these two guys allegedly learned form Yang Chengfu, to see if he was actually there and for roughly how long. My shifu has records of a lot of this.
  6. Xue Sheng

    Xue Sheng All weight is underside

    YOU HAVE MAGIC BEANS!!!!!! Can I buy some by giving you my credit card number and personal information???? Said the guy whose job is partly IT security :D
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  7. icefield

    icefield Valued Member

    No offense but I'm seriously doubting the validity of this claim
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  8. Simon

    Simon Administrator Admin Supporter MAP 2017 Koyo Award

    Over egged the omelette perhaps, but you get the point.

    There are no secrets and lineage is traceable.
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  9. Aegis

    Aegis River Guardian Admin Supporter

    I made the point the other day elsewhere on the internet that there are no extant martial arts going back that far, nor can anyone trace a lineage back that far. This was in contrast to someone firmly making the claim that taekwondo was a 2000+ year old martial art and that the jump kicks were for kicking mounted knights off horseback...
  10. Simon

    Simon Administrator Admin Supporter MAP 2017 Koyo Award

    I've told Mitch about that.
  11. icefield

    icefield Valued Member

    Actually within the Chinese martial arts community this isn't true,

    Many arts were started by those that couldn't read or write so lineage become verbal and open to abuse, so not everyone kept scrolls and lineages like the Chen's, add in the total destruction of records and villages during the cultural Revolution and some lineages are very hard to trace.
    Not to mention after the second world war, the communist take over and the cultural Revolution some masters simply wanted to fade away and leave no mark so didn't produce a lineage but may have trained one or two people Bruce frantzis had a number of teachers like this for example

    Major organisations have been set up by people whose lineage can not be verified
    John painters Bagua lineage for example
    Earle montague's tai chi lineage
    Jeremy Yaus Lau gar and so on.

    It's not that black and white I wish it was
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  12. Xue Sheng

    Xue Sheng All weight is underside

    OH YEAH!!!! Well I can go back 1500 years...with some questionable research and a belief in a Chinese origin myth.....but if it is truth you're looking for.....why you'd want that.... in martial arts......I don't know.......well then....I guess......historically......400 is as far as I can go.....but that too could be challenged because it jumps families within a style so.........hmmmm.... that would put me at around 180 years.......NAH!!!!! I'm going with the 1500...because a mystical monk, living in a cave, watching 2 animals fight, comes into play :D
  13. Pretty In Pink

    Pretty In Pink Moved on MAP 2017 Gold Award

    I dunno about that. BJJ instructionals might be considered something close to secrets. It's not all pure fundamentals at the end of the day.
  14. ned

    ned Valued Member

    Call me an old cynic but it seems more than coincidence that the OP and Fighthero turn up at the same time,
    now the OP has seemingly taken the time and expense to helpfully review and report back like this
    - or maybe Mr Barnum was right.

    Still it keeps us all entertained so no harm done :p
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  15. Simon

    Simon Administrator Admin Supporter MAP 2017 Koyo Award

    It crossed my mind too.

    I checked and couldn't find a link.
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  16. Dead_pool

    Dead_pool Spes mea in nihil Deus MAP 2017 Moi Award

    Interestingly the choice of names shows it's very very likely it's a scam....

    Monk wong, fighthero and BJJ enthusiast, they're all names it's hard to search for on Google as their so generic.

    Do the ISPs match too?
  17. Dead_pool

    Dead_pool Spes mea in nihil Deus MAP 2017 Moi Award

    Only after you fill in this fun facebook quiz for me

    Your magic beans name is your mother's maiden name, your tax number, your CC pin number, and the last food you spread on some toast......

    Isn't this fun!!
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  18. Dead_pool

    Dead_pool Spes mea in nihil Deus MAP 2017 Moi Award

    Boxing is that old isn't it, because of Greece......

    (Walks away quickly)
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  19. Xue Sheng

    Xue Sheng All weight is underside

    COOL!!!! I'm gettin me some MAGIC BEANS!!!! :D
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  20. David Harrison

    David Harrison MAPper without portfolio

    All I can say is that fishing rod manufacturers must be hit really hard by the lockdown to resort to these tactics.
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