I'm not elaborating on anything. When I say people like you. I mean people that I have seen on this board for years and still don't get it. I mean why should I waste more of my time and energy when it's just a bad case of groundhog day with "people like you". There are a hundred threads with people making essentially the same arguments and points going back years. When I say people like you, I mean people I fear may never get it. It's nothing complicated. You either get it, or you don't. How long have you studied ICMA? At some point you just have to explore and find out about these things out for yourself through your practice. If you don't have one, or any teachers, then I and any thing I have learnt is of no use to you. Other than satisfying some idle curiosity or level of scepticism - no thanks.