Pope States: Big Bang and Evolution Theories are real

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  1. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

  2. holyheadjch

    holyheadjch Valued Member

    Bible stories have been explained as allegories in (at least 1) Catholic Schools since the mid-90's. Catholicism hasn't pushed the literal interpretation of the bible in a while.
  3. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    But to many "literal" Christians this is a HUGE departure from the norm. Typically you see zelous defense of biblical literalism (like to idiot who did a rant video "disroving" evolution...and failing miserably) and although this si not liited to Catholics, the fact a major Church leader is going on record is highly significant
  4. Ben Gash CLF

    Ben Gash CLF Valued Member

    Yeah, this really isn't news. Literal interpretation of Genesis is not espoused by any of the major Christian denominations and indeed is discounted in the works of St Augustine in the 4th/5th century.
  5. huoxingyang

    huoxingyang Valued Member

    I'm not sure the Pope really has any authority to state that the Big Bang and evolution are "real". What he can state meaningfully is that these ideas are not in conflict with Christian (Catholic) doctrine.
  6. philosoraptor

    philosoraptor carnivore in a top hat Supporter

    I thought that the Catholic church accepted evolution back in the 90s?
  7. Ben Gash CLF

    Ben Gash CLF Valued Member

    I don't believe they ever rejected it (indeed many of the early writers were catholic scholars) and they validated it in 1950.
  8. Dave76

    Dave76 Valued Member

    Most of the evangelical type denominations here in the states hold to a literal interpretation. Some of them are pretty big. IE Baptists, Methodists, ect.
  9. Ben Gash CLF

    Ben Gash CLF Valued Member

    The main methodist group in the us accepts evolution. The Catholic Church's membership is bigger than the population of China, so groups that may well be strong in the US aren't really that major in the grand scheme of things.
    Last edited: Oct 28, 2014
  10. Southpaw535

    Southpaw535 Well-Known Member Moderator Supporter

    Whatever the general belief is, the pope coming out and saying it officially is still symbolically significant to me.

    Although what impact that will actually have on Catholics I don't know. I'm also concerned that while I appreciate this pope is trying to get the Catholic church back in a good light after the child abuse scandal and I've been impressed with him so far, he's making so many statements that go against traditional doctrine (whether it was widely followed or not) that I can see proper hardliners quickly ignoring everything he says.

    Although being a hardcore catholic and going against the Pope seems weird too, but I think he's trying to do too much too quickly. Its worked for him, he's seemingly becoming well liked among the non-catholic population, but if these are actual proper reforms he's trying to make and not just a large PR exercise then he's at risk of saturating people with too many changes too fast. I think. Without knowing anything at all about actual Catholic thought.
  11. Sampsi

    Sampsi Valued Member

    The current Pope has said little that goes against church doctrine and changed very little, he's great for PR and I'm in all ways for him but the biggest thing he's done in his role is start a campaign to stop the politics at the vatican.
  12. LemonSloth

    LemonSloth Laugh and grow fat!

    This isn't revolutionary news that will shake the foundations of the Christian faith or anything like that.

    But you know what? This is the first Pope I have ever liked. It still feels weird saying that, but I really do. PR exercise or not, it's still a nice change of pace.
  13. holyheadjch

    holyheadjch Valued Member

    He seems to practice what he preaches, which is pretty novel for a religious leader.
  14. Alansmurf

    Alansmurf Aspire to Inspire before you Expire Supporter

    Adam and Eve had 2 sons

    then came the primates and that explains evolution ..


    professor Smurf speakit
  15. Ben Gash CLF

    Ben Gash CLF Valued Member

    Even according to Genesis they had at least 3 ;)
  16. Guitar Nado

    Guitar Nado Valued Member

    I am not a Catholic (was raised a Baptist, now an Atheist) - but I feel the same way. Everything from the name he picked to this latest bit makes him seem pretty likable to me.
  17. philosoraptor

    philosoraptor carnivore in a top hat Supporter

  18. philosoraptor

    philosoraptor carnivore in a top hat Supporter

    I thought they just said that it didn't contradict Catholicism in the 50s, but it wasn't until the 90s that it was accepted as truth?
  19. Dave76

    Dave76 Valued Member

  20. 8limbs38112

    8limbs38112 Valued Member

    I'm no scholar. But from what I've seen the big bang theory is just speculation. Christians beleive that the world was created. And look at how complicated our creation is. We all know that someone created a watch. Think about the male and female species. They must have been created by something. Look at how complicated our bodies are. Working in perfect harmony. You can't tell me a big bang created our bidily functions. We see a watch is complex in it's creation. So some intelligent being created it. Why can't we say the same for our human bodies. Working in perfect harmony like a watch. Whether it comes to orgasm or breathingg and eating, this couldn't have come from chance. Are bodies are too complicated to have come from a big bang, Wouldn't you agree? Now I'm not coming in here t promote christianity, or Islam. I'm just using common sense. If something has a complicated make up it must have been created from something? Am I right?

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