Poor training or no training?

Discussion in 'General Martial Arts Discussion' started by neems, May 24, 2016.

  1. neems

    neems Valued Member

    I'm working funny hours at the moment and can't make any of my regular training,so done a local jujitsu class that's mostly aimed at kids with just a few adults.

    It's really not great,it seems to focus on strange ineffective striking combinations,he had us doing a cross block,turning our back on our opponent and throwing a 4 reverse elbow combination at one point.

    Apparently there's no throws/sweeps/locks until you reach the higher grades.

    It's cheap,and all I'll be able to make for a month or so,so yay or nay?
     
  2. David Harrison

    David Harrison MAPper without portfolio

    It depends what you want to get out of it.

    Personally, I'd rather train solo than pollute my muscle memory with nonsense.
     
  3. Smitfire

    Smitfire Cactus Schlong

    Yay.
    So long as you maintain perspective on what you know to be "good" I think you can do a whole host of other sorts of training that fall short but still give you "something".
    Throwing 4 reverse elbows is a chance to work on delivering power in your reverse elbows!
     
  4. Knee Rider

    Knee Rider Valued Member Supporter

    I'm with David. That sounds like a total waste of time that might even be counter productive.

    Best case you are paying someone to make you do garbage. I have to ask, what are YOU getting out of it?
     
  5. Van Zandt

    Van Zandt Mr. High Kick

    I'd rather do CrossFit.
     
  6. Knee Rider

    Knee Rider Valued Member Supporter

    Id rather empty the bins and do the hoovering.
     
  7. Van Zandt

    Van Zandt Mr. High Kick

    I can see them naming a spring cleaning WOD after you.
     
  8. Revo88

    Revo88 New Member

    I can understand not having throws for the first few sessions until you have the hang of breakfalls but a beginner should at least be starting to practice a hip throw at the very least. I could be wrong but it kinda sounds like a brand of "iconyou" so I'd stay away. Just from the perspective of staying injury free. I kinda feel like the reason he might not be showing throws yet is because he can't do them very well which at some point will end up in you being injured through bad technique or a lack of control. Have you seen him demonstrating a sweeping loin or spring hip to his senior students?
     
  9. neems

    neems Valued Member

    Unfortunately not,it's against my partner and he might not thank me for throwing powerful reverse elbows at his head!

    We did some padwork with the warm up,but I had to be very restrained again,as I'm about 1 foot taller and 3-4 stone heavier than the much older instructor.

    I'm thinking I can work on controlling distance and maybe throwing strikes that are awkward and uncomfortable will be good for balance and stance.
     
  10. neems

    neems Valued Member

    No throws or sweeps at all,but I did see him showing some quite fancy and complex techniques to some of the older students.
     
  11. Knee Rider

    Knee Rider Valued Member Supporter

    Fancy and complex usually means unworkable fantasy.
     
  12. neems

    neems Valued Member

    Exactly what I thought while watching him,but the point is he isn't clueless,he has a good knowledge of his own syllabus and can perform complex techniques himself.

    They just probably wouldn't work without a compliant partner.
     
  13. Smaug97

    Smaug97 Valued Member

    Any website/video we can look at?
     
  14. aikiMac

    aikiMac aikido + boxing = very good Moderator Supporter

    Why not spend that time exercising? Run, jump rope, push-ups, burpees, etc. instead of the questionable jujitsu?
     
  15. aaradia

    aaradia Choy Li Fut and Yang Tai Chi Chuan Student Moderator Supporter

    Are the individual techniques being shown properly? I mean, ok, unrealistic combinations, but is each move in that combination being shown with proper technique?

    If the individual moves are being shown with quality, eh maybe worth it. Just know that doing the move in that combination isn't good, but if you are learning how to do each move properly that might not be too bad. I mean, overall a sequence is not as important as proper principles/ techniques in the individual moves of the sequence.

    But if each move is not being shown properly - no point in being there. Could actually be counterproductive to learning properly.

    Example- we are taught not to do spinning moves unless we are already being spun. So yes, you don't want to spinning moves for the sake of it, but if you find you are being spun anyways, it may be useful to know how to do it - if that spinning elbow is being taught with proper mechanics and footwork etc.
     
    Last edited: May 24, 2016
  16. Latikos

    Latikos Valued Member

    In my Hapkido-class there was simple rule: No one was allowed to throw someone, unless (s)he was able to fall at least a bit himself (herself).

    Simple reason: This way people put more effort in actually learning how to fall.

    Plus: Even with an O-Goshi someone can get hurt, if he can't fall at all.
    I see it a lot: The beginners for example land with their rips on their arms or even try to stretch the arms out to break the fall.


    The reason certainly wasn't that the coach couldn't do throws.
    He could.
    He was maybe 175cm (maybe a bit less, certainly not more) and could throw everyone with ease, be it lighter or heavier and bigger people.
    He taught me, how to throw (during technique training, not randori) a guy nearly two meters big.
     
  17. Mushroom

    Mushroom De-powered to come back better than before.

    I work shifts. A mix of 8hr and 12hr. Rotates from Mornings, mid Days and Nights.

    I do spend a day essentially sleeping. Sometimes I wont sleep at all.
    I would do short 1hr work out (weights) before or after work. On my days off, I would do my classes.
    It sounds like I do a lot. And I am.
    But on the days I'm working, I go and socialise with friends and family (dependant on availability). Then train hard on my days off which varies on 2 to 4 days.

    My main downside. I sometimes dont see my best friends for weeks.
     
  18. neems

    neems Valued Member

    I already do that,I have a half decent gym set up in my garage so whenever I do weights etc isn't an issue.
     
  19. neems

    neems Valued Member

    The individual techniques are shown properly,but they're not that difficult or done against a pad etc so there's not much challenge,other than remembering the seemingly random order we're asked to do them in.
     
  20. flaming

    flaming Valued Member

    I have found Capoeira, dancing and Ashtanga yoga have all helped my proprioception, kinesthesia and cardiovascular fitness.
     

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