Ninjutsu

Discussion in 'Ninjutsu' started by Bruce Lee, Mar 5, 2003.

  1. Bruce Lee

    Bruce Lee New Member

    Hi i was browsing by and saw ninjustsu.I was curious and made a thread.I don't know anything about it but I know 2 thing its a martial arts and its like fo ninjas.If I ask too much dont get mad.:Angel: :Alien:
     
  2. pgm316

    pgm316 lifting metal

    I know ninja's main enemy is the samurai and there always kicking each others asses. What style of martial arts do samurai use?
     
  3. Darzeka

    Darzeka New Member

    Bu-Do.

    The same thing as the ninja's learnt - kind of. The Samurai also had the Budokan code which limited much of thier possible potential in fighting situations.

    The Samurai also based much of thier lives around swords and used them for as much meditation as actual sword play.
     
  4. pgm316

    pgm316 lifting metal

    So what is Bu-Do and what happened to these martial arts? Did they evolve to become things like Karate/Jujitsu or is that a totally seperate evolution of the arts?
     
  5. Darzeka

    Darzeka New Member

    Well the Samurai cast were disbanded by the American govenrment when they "occupied" Japan at the end of WWII.

    Bu-Do was the way they learned to teach themselves to fight. It included throws, locking/joint manipulation, striking/kicking/ grappling, weaponary, etc.

    A few bright sparks in Japan didn't want to see all that culture and an entire piece of the Japanese society and haistory vanish, so they formed "sports" specialising in an area of Bu-Do. We got Judo, Karate, Aikido, Kendo, etc., all those "original" and now mainstream arts as a broken down, sport activity, rather than a way of living that prodused a caste of people who were walking deadly weapons.

    As Bu-Do the name is more than a long essay in translation, it was roughly translated to "martial art". It is probably more correctly translated to "human spontaneity in repsonse to Do or nature" (paraphrased from the ninjukai website).
    This is more of what a Martial Art is - not a series of strikes, a stance but the way you move your body in a fighting sense. What we now call a martial art is better termed as a "martial training style" where each "art" is differed from by its training practises and angle of fighting.

    Bu-Do is the way the Samurai responded to a fighting situation.
     
  6. pgm316

    pgm316 lifting metal

    Good post! Thanks for the info Darzeka!
     
  7. Juzo

    Juzo New Member

    The Samurai class was actually disbanded at the beginning of the Meiji restoration era (1868), as were all military ranks such as Taiko, Shogun, or Daimyo.

    Budo best translates into "Martial Way". It is made up of 2 kanji, the first one being Bu (pronounced Wu in Chinese, or Mu in Korean), which is usually translated as warfare, military, or martial, though the meaning goes deeper than that. "Do" is best translated as path or way. Bujutsu is the word that means Martial Art, therefore Budo would imply the higher level of the art than just the technique forms.

    Budo wasnt studied just by Samurai. Other high rank military leaders studied it too. Also, Ninpo is now seen as Budo, hence the reason for the change of Bujinkan being called Ninpo Taijutsu to Budo Taijutsu, because Soke Hatsumi wanted it to be recognised as Budo.
     
  8. Juzo

    Juzo New Member

    Forgot to mention. The plural of Ninja is Ninja, not "Ninjas". Japanese nouns tend to stay the same in singular and plural form because kanji isnt pluralised.
     
  9. Freeform

    Freeform Fully operational War-Pig Supporter

    Doh! You beat me to it. Although the Samurai class still existed albeit in a different form, as administrators and such like. kinda like an upper working class, or lower upper class type of status.

    Also, most of the arts that end in do, originated in the era 1910 - 1930. The way (do) generally implies a higher way and more spiritual activity, whilst Jitsu stresses technique over spirituality, and Jutsu implies the practice of purely hommicidal activities.

    Col
     
  10. Cougar_v203

    Cougar_v203 4th surgery....Complete!

    no one cares about the samurai GOD!!! syke kidding :)
     
  11. Bruce Lee

    Bruce Lee New Member

    Anyways when you are learnimg ninjutsu or bu-do, do they teach you stuff like running on walls and jumping to roof tops to roof tops.I wasjust wondering because everybody seems to like ninjutsu because of these.I just think it is cool even though I dont know that much stuff about ninjutsu or bu do and did the ninja and the samaurai ever fought they seem like they are the same to me .
     
  12. SilentNightfall

    SilentNightfall Eien no Ninja

    Okay, here's a clarification. First, there actually is a technique in ninjutsu for running up/scaling walls. No, we do not practice jumping from rooftop to rooftop. Ninjutsu is not based on acrobatic moves like Hollywood and videogames would have you believe. Second, it is doubtful that the ninja and samurai did not fight back in the warring period of Japan. You have to remember that various people were fighting to control Japan and each had his own army of samurai, as well as possible hired ninja. If the samurai of one lord came across the ninja of another, there would obviously be a conflict. Also I believe at one point in the history of the various ninja families living in the mountainous regions of Honshu (central), samurai were sent to try and exterminate them, but I am unsure as to this. Obviously if this is factual, there would have bee a clash of ninja and samurai. Hope this helps. If you have any other questions, simply ask.
     
  13. Seperoth3333

    Seperoth3333 New Member

    The samurai are cool but ninjas are the more seperiour. They can disapear in front of your eyes, jump realy high and other cool stuff. The samurai are more weapon based but they have some realy cool lookin swords.
     
  14. Seperoth3333

    Seperoth3333 New Member

    Just to imform u former ninjas/samurais/students/killers lol. The last ninja didnt die in 1968. If you think so think how the goverment likes to cover things up. Realy there something worse now. Something we all have. Its are iner chi. Every one has it. If you realy do martial arts your teacher tell you about focous from your center. Heres something to try at home. Lets take a journey, to find your self if you say your arm feet face. Your wrong. your energy. Deep with in your self. So try this focous on bring your energy out of your hands. just fosous. After a while your hands get real warm. If u dont belive me try it your self. Thats as far as I have gotten. There are 7 energy bars with in your body that are different colors. Color in this case is light traveling at different frequencys. This inables you to tape into doing thing like the matrix. Dodge bollets, jump realy high. How do u think Bruce lee cought a bullet in his mouth. All of you martial art masters out there should try it to because you proably have a better chance to do this because of all the martial arts you been doing all of your life. Well if you want me to answer any questions just e-mail me.
     
  15. SilentNightfall

    SilentNightfall Eien no Ninja

    LoL. Curse you Hollywood! Actually no, ninja cannot and never could disappear right in front of someone. The more practical thing to say would be that ninja could/can escape if given the chance by "disappearing" into the environment (for example, by using camouflaging techniques). Also, the ninja used just as many, if not more, weapons than the samurai. Also, the ninja actually used the same swords as the samurai (which were expensive and finely made, and out of the budget of your typical ninja as well) since they would search battlefields for the discarded swords of dead warriors. As far as the last ninja dying in 1968, this is indeed not true. O'Sensei Takamatsu, who is thought to be the last true living ninja, died in 1972. Now, whether or not you believe that others today can be true ninja is strictly your opinion. I'd like to believe that it is possible for any of us to earn such a title, however, I don't believe any of us will ever deserve it in the sense that Takamatsu-sensei did. After all, no one exactly goes around fighting death matches in China anymore as he did. Though again this isn't exactly what made a ninja a ninja now is it? Oi... I've confused myself yet again. I'd better be off before I get a headache. Until later, all.
     
  16. SilentNightfall

    SilentNightfall Eien no Ninja

    Oh, and before I forget... Yes, chi/inner energy is good. No, it will not enable you to do things like in the Matrix if you think that you will begin stopping bullets in mid-air or dodging a bunch of shots fired at you. And did Bruce Lee really catch a bullet between his teeth? That one is new to me. Anyone else heard of this? Anyway... Channeling your inner energy is definitely a good practice if you know how. Personally, I'm ways off before I will be able to do anything truly effective with mine. I'll stick to just getting the physical aspect down before I go into the complete mental/spiritual concept of channeling energy and focusing the mind. That's not to say that my training does not involve any mental/spiritual training, but I just don't work on it extensively, mostly because I'm extremely limited in what I can do. But enough rambling. It's 2:20 a.m. Night, everyone!
     
  17. Seperoth3333

    Seperoth3333 New Member

    Silent Night Fall the only thing Im saying is you have 7 main types of energy in you. All different colors. But Color in this maner is light traveling at different frquencys. If you could tape into your one color that slowes every thing down then you could dodge bullets. Not stop them in mid air. Just think of it like spiderman the movie were he gets in that fight. He sees the guys arm moving all slow but to the guy hes moving normal speed. Thats all I'm trying to say.
     
  18. Seperoth3333

    Seperoth3333 New Member

    All ya theres a couple of theres on why ninjas can jump so high. One is they tye boards on the back of there legs and jump every day. They do so for years. Then after so long they take them off and the bend of the knee gives them more levrege. The other is they plant a seed of corn and jump it every day till it breaks then they have to start over. This one takes years to do though.
     
  19. JediMasterChris

    JediMasterChris Columbo

    Uh......where did you hear that???

    Also about ninja disappearing in front of your face....I am not so sure about that really......:confused:


    I guess you are entitled to your opinion though of course......:love:
     
  20. JediMasterChris

    JediMasterChris Columbo

    Ok, well...first I learned to find the energy,then I learned to hold it in my lower abdomen, then from there spread it out to other parts of my body... I think what you are doing is just the blood rushing away from your hand or something???:D
     

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