This is about the martial art I study. I put it under the Jujutsu forum, as it is basically an Europeanized version of traditional jujutsu, centered on self defence. Minoru Mochizuk took it to France in the 50s, and it was developed with his students. Basically, the techniques are the same old techniques, what changes is the method of teaching them is a bit more modern (the addition, for example, of some new very basic techniques that have been created so the westerner student can more easily learn). The techniques (save for the new 24 very basic ones) are near to Daito Ryu JuJutsu. On my particular dojo, we do some Yoshin Ryu Jujutsu and Asayama Ichiden Ryu Taijutsu too. To summarise: japanese origin and philosophy, but westerner conception. A demonstration video from recent open door activity: [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gK2Jhwf9v94&feature=plcp"]TAIJITSU DEMOSTRACIÓN. - YouTube[/ame] I see that wikipedia has only got the article on my martial art in Spanish, French and Catalan. Beginning of December I should have some time, I think I'll translate it into english. Spanish article: http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihon_Tai-Jitsu
Where did your training in 'Yoshin ryu and AI Ryu come from, Do your teachers hold teaching rank in these? Are you still apart of the Yoseikan?
Monday I'll ask about the Yoseikan, not sure about that. My school is part of the Seibukan, for sure. That's where our jujutsu comes from. About teaching rank, yes, my sensei is very legacy oriented. This year he and the sensei of a fellow dojo got the scrolls (the traditional ones, those that are almost 2 meters long) allowing them to teach Asayama. Kaminaga Shikemi is the 17th soke. His student Kai Kuniyuki has a concession from the Menkyo Kaiden to expand the school amongst his students. So he granted it to my school.
Which Yoshin Ryu Jujutsu? EDIT: Oh, and the title of a head of a line (family) is soke (soh-kay), not "soak", and not pronounced the same. I'm not sure what you mean when you say "Kai Kuniyuki has a concession from the Menkyo Kaiden".... can you clarify?
Hmm. Reason I ask is that Kaminaga Shigemi was taught by Ueno Takashi. I'm not aware of a Yoshin Ryu through Ueno, as most of the Yoshin Ryu are descendant schools of Akiyama Yoshin Ryu, including Tenjin Shin'yo Ryu, Shindo Yoshin Ryu, and a number of others. The link didn't really give much in the way of lineage, and I don't recognize the list of waza (it's not Takagi related, which is sometimes erroneously referred to as a Yoshin Ryu line), so I'm just curious, really.
Ha, cool... when will smartphones learn archaic Japanese honorific titles, eh? Surely it's something everyone uses in their daily life on a constant and consistent basis? Or is that just me...?
I think the specific Yoshin Ryu is Hontai Takagi Yoshin Ryu, as Kai Kuniyuki is Menkyo Kaiden in it. edit: but he himself refers to "Ninth Dan in Traditional JuJutsu" Menkyo Kayden = License of total transmission So my bad phrase of 'has a concession' is redundant. The Menkyo Kaiden is/has the license as he 'knows all' for that Ryu.
Yeah, I'm familiar with Menkyo Kaiden, and what it means. The Takagi Yoshin Ryu and it's variants (Hontai Takagi Yoshin Ryu, Moto-ha Yoshin Ryu, Hontai Yoshin Ryu, Hontai Yoshin Ryu Takagi Ryu, Takagi Yoshin Ryu, Takagi Ryu etc) aren't Yoshin Ryu lines, they're Takagi Ryu lines. It's never referred to as "Yoshin Ryu".
Menkyo Kaiden definition was mainly for those that don't know, if there is any in this forum. Friday in the extra class we went over 'Yoshin Ryu' Shoden ('first teachings'). A few of them, as an example: 1. Katatedori - Tekubigatame 2. Ryotedori - Kotegaeshi 3. Sodedori - Udehineiri 4. Munadori - Hijijime 5. Katadori - Udehishigi
Interesting. Those names don't match Takagi Ryu methods, unless part of a Kihon section. Certainly not Shoden Gata in the lines I'm familiar with. For the record, the Shoden Gata (omote only listed here) for Takagi Yoshin Ryu are: Kasumi Dori Do Gaeshi Karame Dori Kyoto Kata Mune Dori Ryo Mune Dori Oikake Dori Kaigo Kudaki Iki Chigae Yui Gyaku Ran Sho Ken Nagashi Hiza Guruma Then you have the Ura Gata, which are a separate section in some lines, or taught with the Omote Gata in others, or alternate names for some of these kata in other lines (such as Do Gaeshi being called Horaku Gaeshi).
More specific information about the three jujutsu's we practice at my dojo (as you can see, this is my most structured post in this thread, ergo, the information is not mine, comes from my sempai): · Tai Jitsu or Nihon Tai Jitsu (Ju Jutsu school created from Minoru Mochizuki's teachings about Daito Ryu Aikijujutsu, with contributions by his students Roland Hernaez and Jim Alcheik). · Yoshin Ryu Jujutsu (Yoshin Ryu Budo): Founded by Kai Kuniyuki from his knowledge of Asayama Ichiden Ryu, Bokuden Ryu, Shinto Ryu Kenjutsu, Mugai Ryu Iaiheido, etc. Kai Sensei combines different styles in his desire to develop a school with solid basics and the objetive of transmitting not only the techniques, but also the spirit of Budo and cultivating mind and heart. · Asayama Ichiden Ryu: Its origins are not that clear, there are more than one possible founders, what is known is that it was quite notorious in Japan during the Meiji era. Its weapon techniques have been lost and nowadays we only have the tai jitsu techniques. So what has been mentioned in this thread, of not recognising the waza, them not being Takagi, its because this Yoshin Ryu is sensei Kai's.
Cool. So the Yoshin Ryu is a new system. That's kinda what I expected, so all good! Small note on the Asayama Ichiden Ryu details there... not all lines are the same. The line that Ueno Takashi held (also taught in the Genbukan) is only the Taijutsu, with teachings for hishigi (a small stick utilizing the patterns of the taijutsu tradition), as it's the Chi no Maki, with the Ten no Maki (Sword) and Jin no Maki (Bo) not being transmitted from two generations before Ueno. There are other lines of Asayama Ichiden Ryu, such as Asayama Ichiden Ryu Heiho, which have almost nothing but weaponry techniques, including an over-sized kama, and all their Iai being done as paired forms. Some groups have approached the Taijutsu lines to add, or re-incorporate a taijutsu approach into their methods. So, for the line you're talking about, yep. Not for all lines of Asayama Ichiden Ryu, though... Oh, and for the record, the spelling is always "jutsu", not "jitsu". It's a completely different word in Japanese.
About Asayama Ichiden Ryu Taijitsu (Chi no Maki scroll of Asayama Ichiden Ryu) All investigators agree it was founded at the end of the Muromachi period. But when it comes to the founder, it can not be determined exactly if it was Asayama Sangoro Ichidensai or Marume Mondo. It was developed inside the Aizu han samurai clan, mainly by the Tanaka family. Legacy: 12th Soke: Tanaka Tomotsu 13th Soke: Okura Naoyuki 14th Soke: Nagamuna Tsuneyosi (opened the school to police) 15th Soke: Nagamuna Yoshiyuki 16th Soke: Ueno Takisha 17th Soke: Kaminaga Shigemi / Sato Kimbei (*) (*) here there are two successors, depending on what branch you ask. The technical 'differentiating points' of Asayama are that it uses your own body weight, projections are not a basic part of it, and most techniques end with katame dori (this made it quite good for police)
There are also some interesting stories about Asayama Ichiden Ryu... one origin story has Asayama Sangoro Ichidensai developing such insight into martial arts and combat that he felt that it was useless learning from any teachers, as he already knew how to beat everyone. This became the founding of Asayama Ichiden Ryu. Of course, Asayama Sangoro Ichidensai was 12 at the time....
About the hishigi, haven't seen it. But we do have tambo jutsu (and yubibo). Very very occasionally, boken.
