Need advice for girl (Non-wrestlers too please!)

Discussion in 'Wrestling' started by Combat Sports, Dec 8, 2014.

  1. Combat Sports

    Combat Sports Formerly What Works

    So after a careful analysis and watching my daughter at her last tournament, I am looking for advice. At a recent physical it was revealed to me that my daughter is well above average for height and weight for her age. (She is 9, and weighs 80) so she ends up bracketed with other kids who are above average Height and Weight. The problem is this means that she ends up with boys who in some cases are early developers. One of the kids that really wrecked her at this last tournament was already showing signs of muscle development in his chest and arms. While obviously the first answer is that she is going to need to work on her own upper body strength, what I really need is some advice about good escape techniques that she can use while on the bottom that don't require much strength while working regardless of how strong your opponent is. Once she gets on the floor face down she can generally keep from being turned fairly well but getting back up just never happens. She starts to stand and ends up splattered on the mat again right away. Her current escapes are the Switch, (Works about 10% of the time.) the Buck/Kneeslide (Almost never works), and just standing straight up. (Which works for about two to three seconds before she is smashed right back down.) She is extremely flexible, but is also somewhat clumsy. Thoughts?
     
  2. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    What ruleset is she competing under and what are the prohibitions (if any)?
     
  3. Combat Sports

    Combat Sports Formerly What Works

    Currently she is doing Folkstyle. Unlike Freestyle, Greco-Roman or Judo if you are stuck down there they will not stand you up. So if she doesn't get the takedown on a good day down there she ends up on her belly the whole time avoiding being pinned (and then losing on points), or she gets pinned. I will upload a video of one of the matches from last tournament to help give you an idea of what I mean.

    We have used some Judo on the ground before to some success in Folkstyle because the kids are often not ready for the alternative means of getting up, but whatever they do they cannot be on their back for more then a split second during the transition. (At least not when the opponent is in control)

    You can get away with techniques that make people uncomfortable in wrestling (Cross Face, Chicken Wing, etc.) so if she has to inflict a bit of pain to get out that's within the spirit of the rules of wrestling, but it has to be things that you can do in moderation without inflicting injury.
     
  4. Pretty In Pink

    Pretty In Pink Moved on MAP 2017 Gold Award

    Spin around on her belly and get the overhook, or if it's a turtle/sprawl situation you can hook an arm/wrist and granby roll for a pin (Judo-eske technique that well across all platforms). Alternatively you can reach under and stop their hips from coming around, then re-shoot or sit out.

    I'm not a wrestler, but those options all seem alright :)
     
  5. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    Can she usually get to all fours or is that a core issue?
     
  6. Combat Sports

    Combat Sports Formerly What Works

    I am uploading a video that should help with this, but basically she tries to keep building her base (getting to all fours) and about the time she is ready to try and escape again they are yanking her ankle out from under her or simply smashing her back down.

    When she tries to switch she can sometimes get to the sit out, but is generally just smashed back down again.

    So far all of the best success she has comes from finding ways to bridge and roll over her opponent in something that looks closer to a BJJ sweep. But against really strong opponents this doesn't always work.
     
  7. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    I have a few CACC suggestions that may help, but they will need a lot of drilling. The video of her will definitely help me give you options
     
  8. Combat Sports

    Combat Sports Formerly What Works

    Fortunately work ethic is not something she lacks. Not afraid of drilling at all. The first boy in this video was incredibly strong and really ground her for all three periods and was able to pin her at the end. I am very proud of her heart here. And the second video there were some obvious mistakes. [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zh8V1Y7_SkQ&feature=youtu.be"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zh8V1Y7_SkQ&feature=youtu.be[/ame]
     
  9. Combat Sports

    Combat Sports Formerly What Works

    And just a heads up, all the screaming I am doing is because it's so damn loud at wrestling tournaments and they can't hear a word you say sometimes even if the mat is close. The Mat in this instance was like twenty feet away.
     
  10. Mangosteen

    Mangosteen Hold strong not

    that boy is jacked for a kid
     
  11. Dead_pool

    Dead_pool Spes mea in nihil Deus MAP 2017 Moi Award

    Her turtle has lots of space between her elbows and her body,, for the other wrestler to get attachments on her, then no matter what she does, the other wrestler is an ideal position to break her down and ride her escapes.

    Ideally her wrestling coach will sort this out, time and experience will help too.
     
  12. Combat Sports

    Combat Sports Formerly What Works

    He was really strong, extremely aggressive. I looked him up on Track Wrestling and he competed a lot last year.

    Now, on the bright side, she did stick the hell out of this kid for her only win of the day. :)

    [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfTaGvAHVyY&list=UUKgm9h-Fo2RHLD9TNJ_xSDQ"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfTaGvAHVyY&list=UUKgm9h-Fo2RHLD9TNJ_xSDQ[/ame]
     
  13. Mangosteen

    Mangosteen Hold strong not

    not sure if folkstyle is like freestyle in regards to turtle where you are supposed to turtle with lots of space as part of the rules?

    or was that just the kids class i went to?
     
  14. Dead_pool

    Dead_pool Spes mea in nihil Deus MAP 2017 Moi Award

    I can see why focusing on building a base is a great thing, and being uber tight retards the movement game (modern judo I'm looking at you) but giving someone a strong ride, makes moving really really hard Because they have a strong ride.....

    But im coming from a bjj /nogi place so I may be completely wrong!
     
  15. Combat Sports

    Combat Sports Formerly What Works

    What about stuff like this?


    [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX1t5_9NxZs"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX1t5_9NxZs[/ame]

    [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZyvEHWuVb0"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZyvEHWuVb0[/ame]
     
  16. Mushroom

    Mushroom De-powered to come back better than before.

    She seems to be able to get to her 4 points fine, is just that the boy was really hammering for that cradle.

    Usually stay completely flat and poke your head up is the static making position till the Ref stands you up. But as you said, theres no stand up rule then I suggest your girl grabs an arm and use that as an anchor, to either hold him down, roll him over for 3 points or counter.
    He was essentially overpowering her, so dont be too bummed about it.

    He was off balance a lot though*, so after a bit of experience and practice, when she "feels" he is well over one side, she could use that as an advantage.

    *when he was going for the initial cradle, he leaned all over her back and both his feet frequently was off the ground.
     
  17. Combat Sports

    Combat Sports Formerly What Works

    Hey Hannibal,

    Still waiting in anticipation of your CACC suggestions. My daughter loves Sakuraba and would be estatic to do some CACC.
     
  18. Dead_pool

    Dead_pool Spes mea in nihil Deus MAP 2017 Moi Award

  19. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    Sorry my friend - got a bit caught up with other stuff!!

    This is one option that Harry taught (demo'd by two of my students). It can easily be modified for what you need. The key is the initial base/posting and THEN the hook grab and roll

    [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chIRCzTlZ8Q&list=UU9IEikCWrq2w-WZkGeYw2JA"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chIRCzTlZ8Q&list=UU9IEikCWrq2w-WZkGeYw2JA[/ame]

    [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lpuJIHQyHQ&index=62&list=UU9IEikCWrq2w-WZkGeYw2JA"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lpuJIHQyHQ&index=62&list=UU9IEikCWrq2w-WZkGeYw2JA[/ame]

    Same application done as a bump sweep counter (and crushing yours truly!)

    [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeZF85btCig&list=UU9IEikCWrq2w-WZkGeYw2JA"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeZF85btCig&list=UU9IEikCWrq2w-WZkGeYw2JA[/ame]
     
    Last edited: Dec 9, 2014
  20. Combat Sports

    Combat Sports Formerly What Works

    THANKS Hannibal! :)

    That first one they actually learned in Judo, my son hits it pretty awesome here:

    NOTE: Once again, excuse the screaming, for those of you who have never been to a wrestling tournament it's so loud they can't hear you even four feet away unless you really wail. The head gear covering the ears doesn't help.

    [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0BUr4AP0qs&list=UUKgm9h-Fo2RHLD9TNJ_xSDQ"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0BUr4AP0qs&list=UUKgm9h-Fo2RHLD9TNJ_xSDQ[/ame]
     

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