natural cures vs. modern medicine

Discussion in 'Health and Fitness' started by Buddroux, Jan 7, 2005.

  1. Buddroux

    Buddroux New Member

    Ok . I have ordered a book called "Natural cures they dont want you to know about" . I believe in natural cures. I believe that there is a natural cure for almost anything , but the FDA doesnt want people to be healthy .. if everyone was healthy then the FDA would be out of business.
    I belive that prescription drungs and non-prescription drugs are bad. They only supress or temporary relieve symptoms but never address the actual problem.

    My question is what do you think?
     
  2. Zertz

    Zertz New Member

    I'm all for natural cures. Whats up with drug advertizing?! Isn't it a doctor's job to prescribe a drug, not the patient to suggest one?

    When it comes to things like this, I think: What does it do? How well does it do it?

    If a natural cure lets say cures pain without dependence forming (lets say) on par with some painkiller, I'll go natural cure because of the added feature, or if it does it better, I'll go with natural because it does it better.

    What does it do? How well does it do it? Sean Kennedy's advice at its finist.
     
  3. OBCT

    OBCT New Member

    Aspirin (Salycilic acid) came from willow bark, and worked well for centuries as a painkiller. Now we use Acytyl Salycilic acid which is chemical processed and changed from the original acid (a lot is taken out).
    Like a clockwork watch, take out a few cogs and the watch still works, just not as well as it did before, same goes for modern medicine.
    All chemical prescription drugs come from a natural source to begin with, ie Opiates from poppies etc They just get changed for what we assume is the better (examples like Tamazopam which had to be recalled, and Phalidomide which also had to be recalled, come to mind)

    Although i still think modern medicine is best for broken bones and a suchlike.

    check these out :
    http://www.davidicke.net/medicalarchives/cures/borage.html
    http://www.annieappleseedproject.org/boageoilgla.html
     
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  5. aikiwolfie

    aikiwolfie ... Supporter

    What disturbes me most about modern medicine is the fact that drugs companies now exist purely to make profit. They now develop drugs and later invent a syndrome to market them towards.

    Sellers of alternative treatments are no better. Often what they are selling has no or little beneficial effect. And when it does it's sold to the patient over the counter with little or no instruction on how to prepare and use it properly. So the treatment is wasted and so is the paitients money.

    I think anybody who works in medicine should be working to solve a problem. Not creating a cure and searching for a problem to solve with it.
     
  6. Lilika

    Lilika Scientia est potentia

    I could not have said it better myself. :)
     
  7. Florida Warlock

    Florida Warlock Banned Banned

    Whenever there's something wrong with me (after I know what it is and have been informed of treatment options from my doctor) I go somewhere to buy herbs to make herbal teas or something, or get some essential oils.

    Natural healing has low side effects, not the normal stuff you see on the back of a prescription bottle that says something to this effect..
    Side Effects May Include dizziness, indigestion, diarrhea, paranoia, low resistance to infections, your legs fall off, your eyes bleed, constant trips to the pharmacy to get more... oh yeah, and possibly death.

    In my experience, modern medicine only makes the problem disappear temporarily and sometimes stops the pain. I'm all for natural healing.
     
  8. baubin2

    baubin2 New Member

    Personally, I say before taking any medicine on a regular basis, natural or not, just check with your doctor. Keeping you healthy is your doctor's job and he's probably better at it than any of us are.

    Me, I don't like to take anything if I can help it. I mean, of course if something serious came up, I'd do what I have to, but for something like a headache, I'd probably just try to go somewhere quiet where I can make myself a cup of tea and close my eyes for a while. For some reason I have an intrinsic dislike of any kind of drugs, whether they're good for you or not. Partially because I don't like the idea of something affecting my body that is outside my control (i.e. being sent to sleep involuntarily) and partly because I feel that our society too often uses pills to solve problems whether said pills are unnecessary or not.
     
  9. Bob1770

    Bob1770 Valued Member

     
  10. aikiMac

    aikiMac aikido + boxing = very good Moderator Supporter

    Your three examples do not address Aikiwolfie's claim. Perhaps your three examples are not representative of the overall drug business, aye?


    I believe this about natural remedies, but I do not believe this about mainstream Western pharmaceuticals. The warning labels and the small-print disclaimers in the magazine ads are the basis for my conclusion.
     
  11. bcullen

    bcullen They are all perfect.

    *sigh* Here goes:

    One fact that is often overlooked, doctors and drugs very rarley actaully heal someone. They help facillitate it, but the body heals itself.

    In my research in these areas I have found that western medicine is quick to label chemical constituants as helpful or harmful and not look at the overall picture. Like the above mentioned asprirn example. They isolate the compund and assume it to be the beginning and ending of the equation. In another case they labelled comfrey as containing a dangerous cancer causing agent and went on about the number of unidentified agents it contains. The idea being a pure extract of the "helpful" agents is far superior to the natrual product.

    If this is indeed the case, why bother with food? Wouldn't it be better to take the extracted pure supplements? If you have any knowledge of biochemistry you know the answers to those questions. Some of the necessary nutrients are formed by the foods reaction in our body. There are things we just can't duplicate as of yet. It's about the interactions of all the different pieces, not just a few. Modern medicine sees unknown agents as "potentailly harmful" by rote. If this logic were true, table salt would be the deadliest poison known to man, look at its make up: Sodium (a metal that explodes violently in contact with water) and Chlorine (caustic and poisonus). Yet properly combined they are harmless and really tasty on french fries (chips).:D
     
  12. nzric

    nzric on lookout for bad guys

    The main flaw in modern medicine is too much focus. If you have an old bomb of a car that starts squeaking your mechanic shouldn't just put some oil on the squeak and tell you it's all better. That's the problem with many of the quick fix pills out there now.

    And it's getting worse. Many people munch painkillers for breakfast when all they need is some healthy food and WATER, and viagra (available at a nightclub near you) is just a marketing ploy except for the bare minimum of people who actually have a problem. The obesity pill (due out soon) is the most evil and depraved creation ever :)

    And forget drug marketing to patients. You should really worry about pharmaceutical badgering and kickbacks to doctors for using a certain product.


    Face it, if everyone took responsibility for their health, ate better food, drank the correct amount of water and got a minimum of 30mins exercise per day, the level of death and disease would plummet overnight.


    Our bodies are amazing machines - it's actually very hard to damage them. The problem is our culture comes up with more and more ways to harm our bodies all the time. It's not just in America. Australia and America keep swapping places as the most overweight nation in the world, per capita.

    But saying that, if I got a jungle virus, cancer or even a broken leg, I'd go to a modern doctor first before I went to a traditional healer.
     
  13. aikiMac

    aikiMac aikido + boxing = very good Moderator Supporter

    Broken leg, yes. Cancer, no, it's "natural remedies" all the way. Jungle virus, I'm undecided.

    But otherwise, dude, that post could just as well be written by me. Scary -- we're agreeing essentially 100% on something! Yikes! Are you really you?
    :D (J/K with you ;) )
     
  14. Bob1770

    Bob1770 Valued Member

    Broken leg, yes. Cancer, no, it's "natural remedies" all the way. Jungle virus, I'm undecided.



    Sorry, I could only respond to such ignorance with a personal attack, and that is against the MA policy. Have a nice day though. :confused:
     
  15. nzric

    nzric on lookout for bad guys

    heeeelp, someone, aikiMac has stolen my user id!! :p

    Just kidding! See I told you we agreed on some things :)
     
  16. OBCT

    OBCT New Member


    And people truly believe it's better that way, neatly packaged. Consumerism rules.

    Thing that scares me here is Chlorine. I drink tea. I use tapwater, full of chlorine, boil a kettle, then inhale chlorine gas as I drink my warm beverage. Nice. Whilst the relatively low dose is 'scientifically tested and regulated to be at a safe level' it still perturbs me. Mind you swimming pools, hot sun, chlorine.lol.

    http://www.bruha.com/pfpc/html/prozac_water.html
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3545684.stm
    UK tapwater now contains water.

    http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=13508491&BRD=1142&PAG=461&dept_id=142778&rfi=6
    USA water plant increasing chlorine.

    http://www.consumerfreedom.com/news_detail.cfm/headline/2684
    USA pharmacuetical debate, is it real ?/is it hype ?/is it propaganda ?
     
  17. aikiMac

    aikiMac aikido + boxing = very good Moderator Supporter

    Indeed. But if I'm "ignorant" on this subject, and you agree with my beliefs on this subject, then, I suppose you are ignorant too. So be it. I'll proudly stand with you in ignorant unity on this one.
     
  18. nzric

    nzric on lookout for bad guys

    Must.... resist.... US election joke........ :D :D

    I'm not completely ignorant to it, cause I have a fairly strong bias against multinational pharma, bio-engineering firms moving to the third world, and consumerism in general... and I'm just opinionated pretty much all the time, but I'm glad we agree.
     
  19. baubin2

    baubin2 New Member

    Give us a break nzric. You think people here actually wanted Bush as president (well, sane people anyway)? They only voted for him b/c they thought he'd be better than Kerry (not that that's saying much).

    Anyway, I've already given my opinion on this topic, so I'll leave you guys to it. Just wanted to set nzric straight, and point out to the rest of you that last November was despised almost as much over here as it was in your neck of the woods.
     
  20. aikiMac

    aikiMac aikido + boxing = very good Moderator Supporter

    Hey, chill out dude. More than half the votes went to Bush. Maybe you don't like it, but, so what. More than half the voters do like it. To call them all insane is a blatant insult. What if some of the American MAPers voted for Bush, eh? You just called them insane. That's so rude of you.

    We had enough venom spewing last November. Let's give it a rest.
     

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