National Defense Authorization Act of 2012

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  1. Bronze Statue

    Bronze Statue Valued Member

    Perhaps, but news media are ostensibly independent of the government. So why is even the New York Times only writing about it in a weblog rather than on front-page news?

    Here's some more that I've found. Apparently the NDAA bill has already reached the White House some time ago.

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1211/70527.html

    http://www.aclu.org/indefinite-dete...r-and-2012-national-defense-authorization-act

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/...etention-defense-bill-citizens_n_1146181.html
     
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  2. Bronze Statue

    Bronze Statue Valued Member

  3. Bronze Statue

    Bronze Statue Valued Member

  4. The political affiliation of the American voter is cretinism!


    Osu!
     
  5. aikiwolfie

    aikiwolfie ... Supporter

    News media may be independent of government. That doesn't mean they're not afraid of the government. They're also definitely not entirely independent of the lobbyists and massive corporations.

    The mainstream press doesn't really seem to have noticed SOPA. It's all public outrage whipped up by social media.
     
  6. holyheadjch

    holyheadjch Valued Member

    The media hasn't done it's job on SOPA, because many of the major broadcasters have a major conflict of interest.

    Fox News aren't going to give SOPA fair coverage because FOX the broadcaster wants SOPA to pass. Same for ABC, NBC, CBS. It's in their interests for SOPA to pass, so they gloss over the news coverage.
     
  7. aikiwolfie

    aikiwolfie ... Supporter

    Politicians create these laws because they serve their interests. They get away with it because the majority of people don't bother to vote.
     
  8. Bronze Statue

    Bronze Statue Valued Member

  9. Bronze Statue

    Bronze Statue Valued Member

  10. jorvik

    jorvik Valued Member

    Here's some news
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEdY17WsSd4&feature=player_embedded"]NDAA Declared Unconstitutional, Indefinite Detention of Americans Blocked by the Court - YouTube[/ame]
     
  11. Kwajman

    Kwajman Penguin in paradise....

    The will of the people speaks and when we elected Obama it was to me at least, one last sign America is going in the toilet. Every time I read something like the NDAA I go out and buy a few more boxes of ammunition.
     
  12. SuperSanity

    SuperSanity The Hype

    Would electing another warmonger with a terrible choice for VP have been any better? I think not.

    If you're really "stocking up on ammo" you may be overreacting just a little bit.
     
  13. jorvik

    jorvik Valued Member

    Bush was aweful, but Obama has outbushed Bush.he has basically carried on the same policies,which are totalitarian.the U.S is heading towards Fascism.
    Why does the dept of homeland security need 450 million hollow point bullets?........under the Geneva convention they cannot be used by the army, so they can only be used against american citizens


    http://endoftheamericandream.com/ar...ecurity-need-450-million-hollow-point-bullets

    and why hasn't Jon Corzine been prosecuted for his part in the downfall of MF Global
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-05-18/mf-global-1-billion-vanished-into-brokerage-court-told.html

    Could it be because he is Obama's chief fund raiser?

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/23/jon-corzine-ex-mf-global-ceo_n_1376281.html
     
  14. holyheadjch

    holyheadjch Valued Member

    The NDAA was passed with massive bipartisan support. All Obama did was sign it. If he'd veto'd it, Congress would have been able to comfortably bypass that veto.

    Quite how that's Obama's fault, I don't know.
     
  15. SuperSanity

    SuperSanity The Hype

    Believe it or not, the president has no say in who or who doesn't get charged with anything. The reason he hasn't been charged is simple. He has the money to pay people off. Is it corruption? You bet. Is it the presidents fault? No.

    And do you know the reason Obama has continued everything Bush was doing? It's because he wants to appeal to the Republicans. It's the same reason the Democrats didn't get anything done when they had a super majority.

    About the hollow points: Since when have countries really cared about the Geneva Convention? Other than when it suits their own needs. Not to mention, Homeland Security doesn't participatre in wars. Their job is in their title. If Homeland security needs to take done a terrorist, they need good ammunition. Which HP is. And terrorists aren't protected by the Geneva Convention.
     
  16. jorvik

    jorvik Valued Member

    edit: I suggest you give a bit more thought before you post comments here at MAP this is not very clever.... ....personally if I were a US citizen I would vote for Ron Paul

    ok well first point ,the only person who should be trying to appeal to a republican is a Republican. So Obama has basically sold out his principles( if he ever had any).like a pacifist fighting for war.
    Now I am a political Atheist, and it is surprisingly hard to convince anybody of this :cry: I don't like any politician, the problem with socialists is they think or like to think that they have the moral high ground, when you point out that they don't they start making excuses.........The NDAA is unconstitutional, so why hasn't Obama spoken out about it, so is Political Assasination, yet you had that shrew Hilatry Clinton and Obama laughing their heads off when Osama was murdered without trial, and this has also happened to American citizens abroad.and look at the wars, they continue
    Libya, now he is targeting Syria and let us not forget Iran................................also with regards to Corzine, who gave him legal advice? our old friend Teflon Bill Clinton at the princley sum of $20,000 an hour, and what of the Economy your national Debt is now at $15 trillion from
    $9 trillion in 2008, unemployment has risen, although taking into account the people who have given up trying to find work and so don't register as unemployed, it has fallen................I would suggest that the reason for the purchase of hollow nosed bullets is to use against the populace when your economy collpapses and the people rise up.
     
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  17. slipthejab

    slipthejab Hark, a vagrant! Supporter

    A fail on just about every level. Jorvik I'm guessing by the sort of stuff you've posted that you've never actually been to a police state. :rolleyes:

    Puhleeze. :bang:
     
  18. jorvik

    jorvik Valued Member

    Well I guess you would have to define what you mean by a police state.
    Would that be a state with armed police walking around, moreso at airports were they carry submachine guns, total surveillance, a loss of freedom of speech and expression and indoctrination by the state of what is deemed politically correct thought, even carried through to every walk of life with people being criminalised for not following their political masters imposed views?......I guess most folks would be thinking of London now.....if we add in the illegal incarceration and murder of suspected dissidents then it could be the US......but to answer your question Yes I have been to a police state on several occasions, most noteably Franco's Spain.and it felt freer than England does today
     
  19. holyheadjch

    holyheadjch Valued Member

    Yeah, we're really oppressed with those perfectly reasonable security measures at ports of entry.

    They can't see inside my home. They can only see me when I am in public. Where's the problem with that?
    We regulate hate speech. The UK sometimes goes too far, but the US certainly doesn't. They've got some of the most liberal free speech laws on the planet.

    Hardly.
    When has the US ever murdered a suspected dissident?
    Then you're being blinded by rose tinted spectacles.

    Frankly, you're talking rubbish. Again.
     
  20. jorvik

    jorvik Valued Member

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