Another thread (the one on finger joint locks) started to deviate again into the question of "more than 5 Sohn Ppae Ki", and it's not the first time it's been brought up in threads so... let's start a definitive thread on the subject and get this ironed out. (and if there's already a thread on this, I apologize... I tried searching but since everyone spells the English equivalents differently, it's tough to search. For that matter, I'm trying to stick with the equivalents as spelled in textbook... some sort of standardization). As far as I have been taught, there are 5 Sohn Ppae Ki. They are all simple defense against wrist grabs, showing fundamental escape theories and the importance of Sohn Sahl Li Ki ("hands alive", the spreading of the fingers). It's the first technique set covered in Textbook volume 1, even before Ki Bohn Soo. That's "official textbook", if you will. Now, I have also been taught some "self-defense" techniques that aren't necessarily Sohn Ppae Ki (nor necessarily part of any other technique set I know), but a couple are based upon it. I mention this because the picture I'm getting (and I could be wrong, thus why I'm starting this thread to clarify), is it sounds like the "extra" Sohn Ppae Ki some people are getting aren't necessarily pure wrist grab defense but are just general self-defense techniques. So for those of you that have been taught more than 5 Sohn Ppae Ki, please do your best to share and describe exactly what it is you've been learning. And tho it probably is the case, do confirm the 5 Sohn Ppae Ki you do learn are the 5 in the textbook volume 1. Let's get this sorted out.