I recently attended a gathering of Shou Shu students and instructors that numbered well over 400 people. At least 70 of these persons were black belts. Some of these persons have been in the Moore's system for over 20 years and longer. They do not live in their mothers garage, nor do they play Dungeons & Dragons. They do have the self confidence & skills to kick the living daylights out of self opinionated mouthy jerks (and multiple self opinionated mouthy jerks) who would be ignorant enough to threaten them and insult them (Sad Assed? Jeez who's acting like a 10 year old?) )and certainly would relish in the opportunity to have the chance to put into motion "Cobra, Mongoose and whatever other little Jigs " you may think are a part of some kind of game. Games are for hobbyists. Shou Shu is an effective combat art. At no time have any Shou Shu folks bashed, flamed or dishonored anyon else's style, teachings or studies. Okay, let's get past the "tournament" challenge mentality already. Once again, our schools are open to the public and any self opinionated mouthy jerk(s) who are bold enough to walk in and "challenge" any of our Shifus. It would be much more appropriate to just accept an invitation to come in and sample some of what we are so "delusional" about. Try it, you may like it! Hey Shou Shu fans....www.shoushu.info is obviously a place that we can engage in politely and respectfully and will probably be moderated in such a way that personal insults and disrespect will not be tolerated, as it should not be on MAP. I've seen some of the posts on those other forums and I like to think that MAP can control the pubescent behaviors of 'relatively' mature adult(s) without anyone taking personal attacks on Andy or Yoda, just because they are more emotionaly evolved than some of the other "experienced" MAs that cannot even conduct a civil debate and have to resort to being punsters and self rightous individuals who "We speak for all who do not agree with you so we shall bash and set afire that which we know nothing of" . Of course none of you nay sayers has ever seen a group of Shou Shu Black belts enagaged in any of the fighting sets, beating the heck out of eachother. Tag? get a grip will ya? You wanna make fun of the Cobra? Foolish, foolish. You wanna criiticize the Tiger? You can get ripped to shreds (here kity, kitty) You've never seen the stuff, so that makes you an expert? Unless these self opinionated,mouthy, rude jerks (that is how they come across, isn't it? I mean just read their posts) can at last humble themselves to converse and engage in a meaningful way, what good is a forum that can only proliferate hostility and name calling (I'm guilty as charged). By the way, I am 46 years old, have paid my own bills for the last 30 years and have traveled all over the world and the USA. I have studied Choy Lay Fut, Hsing Yi, Pak Kua, TKD and even boxed and wrestled .The Moores school that I attend has college professors, doctors, lawyers, police officers, military personel, accountants, college students and professional beer drinkers. None of them are delusional, but some are REAL BAD AZZES. Come on in and meet some of them! Our Shifus will be more than glad to show you how wrong you REALLY ARE.