MMA vs Taiji Fight

Absolutely!

 

I was posting as much to show that even I terms of running - arguably one of the most primal things we do - there is no absolute definitive consensus

 

It's terms of humans moving we all use spinal engine, tri planar movement, we press on the ground the same and use the effects of gravity the same, joints, muscles, etc etc etc in terms of fundamental human movement.

To effectively Climb, run, fight, etc as humans we all fundamentally move the same. Enhancing the natural fundamentals that are crucial to doing these things will always be better.

Differing technique or different style is not the same thing as fundamental movement.
Oh dear.

 

No, we really don't..

 

I'm sure that you are probably correct, that he is really more sanda than anything else, but considering that I believe he is an amateur he doesn't do too badly.

Now there is a point here that might be considered - aren't arts like muay thai and sanda etc traditional in a way. I know that they might be considered derivatives of muay boran and older CMA arts but they might be just as old as some of the arts.. might also be interesting to see what someone from Shuai Jiao would do as well as it's probably one of the oldest CMA's...might be interesting to see what the guys who fight professionally on the sanda circuit would do. :' )

I wonder whether the perception of CMA's is around the arts that we are most exposed to e.g. southern chinese arts from around the Shandong/HK area and ''inner'' arts like Ba gua, Hsing I and Tai Chi? There is more to CMA if you look around a bit.

But yeah , as I already said.. he's probably a stretch as a 'traditionalist'' :' )

LFD

 

I don't think that we are in disagreement. What I said was basically there isn't any clear evidence to show that only one way is right for many movement patterns. Where we differed is that I said if there isn't a clear superior form(at) then why pay or encourage specialisation if you can't be sure it will work any better. I guess I took what you were looking at as a promotion (in the weakest sense :' ) of the method being promoted by that person. Bosu balls have got to be one of the most oddly/badly/weirdly used devices for some reason :' S

Thanks for the addenum! I can see what you were getting at better now :' )

LFD

 

I would say a spar is not a fight. And I wouldn't understand why someone would want to suddenly do WC for the sake of doing WC during a spar as oppose to just trying to be effective in the spar. That's just me.
If you use WC in a fight , and I don't know if you have or haven't, I would say it's likely an element of WC that happens to be universal to fighting and not something owned by WC.
Same with throws or anything. Wrestlers throw too, so do others. The underlining concepts and principles that make anything work will be the same across the board as long as the aim is to be effective and people fight.

Good Boxers, Thai boxers, wrestlers, judo guys etc all clear hands to strike or clinch ,hand fight, push pull, nudge, tie up , grip fight, pummel, have various ever changing guards, stances.. etc etc ....lots things found in Chinese styles but done in a way that's not exaggerated or over complicated or done to look good.
When ever Chinese stylist or any style do actually fight full contact it just ends up like a poor, ok or good variant or version of a boxing, Thai boxing, wrestling, judo, etc etc because everyone's a human at end of the day

 

It would be brilliant if you explained further

 

Simply watching people moving around you will see that not everyone moves in the same way.

Posture, gait, weight, lifestyle - all of these things affect the way we interact with the world around us.

 

It would be brilliant if you could answer Simon's question, which he has asked twice:

 

I can answer for him - none

 

The very important use of gravity, tri planar movement and the spinal engine are inescapable fundamentals of human movement no matter who you are. Unless your an alien on another planet.

 

Its up to me what info I want to give. Just like anyone else.
Simons approach ,literally every time I post haha,like a few others, is to make it personal or play big man as oppose to discussing the point being made. To be negative and a put down artist. Over the internet too where it's safe and hard to shut down. It's a joke.
I don't want much to do with anyone like that and see right through them to what they really all.
They are just pebbles in my shoe as the saying goes, haha.
If really he wants to find out he can come and ask me.
The thing is people love this kind of stuff...oooh....an argument ...a fight ...more than finding things out. Let's fuel it. Safety in numbers.

It should be about genuine info for me, Evidence based info as. The best we know or can produce.

The best we know is that all humans move using gravity, tri planar movement, spinal engine etc.
To say otherwise and go against all the evidence out there is crazy.
Me doing tai chi or not has nothing to do with it and doesn't change those things.

 

matt can you expand on what " tri planer movement and the spinal engine" is?

I've not heard that terminology before, although it does sound like an awesome band name!