Mangosteen Tries To Stay At It (Log)

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  1. Mangosteen

    Mangosteen Hold strong not

    I've had a long lay off training.
    Apart from a month or 2, here and there I've not really stuck at anything in the past 3 years due to moving, money and time constraints.

    However I've started back at judo. Classes run twice a week at my local university.

    When winter is over I'd like to go to my local wrestling club (probably during summer when the uni judo club dies down).

    I've decided to approach my training more methodically as I have less contact time with partners and coaches than when I was a student so here it is:

    I'd appreciate critical input on the goals.

    Struggling to understand kazushi and tachiwaza.
    Difficulty performing standing seoi nages.

    • Long term goals over the next year (By June)
    Backward Throw: I'd like to get to the point where I am comfortable with tachiwaza randori enough that I can attempt seoi nages and other entry and lead off throws in classes and hopefully throw a fellow white belt at least once per class.

    Forward Throw: Develop my Koichi and Makikomi to the same extent as above.

    Newaza: Control a 20 second pin on a blackbelt atleast once per class. (Same with a turnover, submission and a guard sweep).
    • Medium term goals over the next three months
    Backward Throw: be able to perform a makote or ippon seio nage

    Newaza: Control a 20 second pin on a fellow whitebelt belt atleast once per class. (Same with a turnover and a guard sweep).
    • Short term goals over the next month
    Get comfortable with being thrown and randori.
    • Training - strength, endurance, speed, power, flexibility, weight
    Weight training:
    Increase my back squat to a comfortable 5 rep max at 100kg by July (currently 80kg 5 rep max).
    Increase my incline bench press to a comfotable 5 rep max of 70kg by July (currently 55kg 5 rep max).
    Increase my snatch to a comfortable 1 rep max of 70kg by July (currently power 60kg 1 rep max)
    • How many times per week are you training
    I'd like to maintain attendance to judo twice per week.

    Weight training:
    I try to attend 2 to 3 weight training sessions a week, I have a life.
    • Diet - vegetarion, vegan, gluten free etc
    I'm flexitarian. usually meaning I am to keep my meat intake under 100gram a day or 3 meals per week.
    • Do you drink or smoke? Stress levels / work / family
    I have some anxiety issues whcih make my rather peacecful seem horrible.
    • Any injuries? Back, shoulder, knees etc
    Shoulder injury (recent judo). Previously dysfuncitonal foot (kani basami in sambo)
  2. Fish Of Doom

    Fish Of Doom Will : Mind : Motion Supporter


    FWIW, for the weights, knowing your size and given your current you could most likely run a weekly-increase linear periodization and get comfortably above your goals in relatively little time. What's your snatch technique looking like, more or less?
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  3. Mangosteen

    Mangosteen Hold strong not

    Hi fish!
    I've set the bar low (lol pun) with weight training as my focus is the rest of my life.
    I neglected having an enjoyable social life which I value now.

    For a long time I focused on training hard and too frequently in some thing and got a little addicted, it caused me to make few gains as a result. I've learnt that I need tiiiiiime and sleep to recover but I still get itchy when I avoid a gym session for two days because of a lack of sleep.

    I'm also seeing some nice gains in physique when training lower frequency at hight volume (typical power builder program) and I'm not overly concerned about jacking up my lift numbers with no appreciable gains in aesthetics.
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  4. Mangosteen

    Mangosteen Hold strong not

    Leg day

    Back squat:

    DB Incline Press:
    25x2 (immediate next set)


    Accessory leg day work and 3x5 wide grip pull ups (about 80% of the way there)
  5. Mangosteen

    Mangosteen Hold strong not


    Uchi komi:
    osoto gari
    drop seoi nage
    pinch seoi nage (cant get them loaded on my back)
    m-something seoi nage (still have ain in my arm and shoulders trying this throw variation)
    o goshi
    anothre hip toss with an over shoulder grip (im decent a hip tosses)

    throw with newaza:
    reverse tai otoshi variation

    i was groundworking against a blue belt, fought out of the pin with a whizzer fight
    held on a pin for 10 seconds
    then fought a white belt, got perfect positions for an armbar twice (both form guard variaitons), took the back and took position for a rear naked and bow and arrow. he broke guard pretty easy, need to work on my guard game sweeps).
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  6. Latikos

    Latikos Valued Member

    Morote-Seoi-Nage maybe?
    When you put your elbow at the armpit of the arm you gripped?
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  7. Mushroom

    Mushroom De-powered to come back better than before.

    You having an issue with your Standing Seo Nage? Are they slipping off your back or something?
  8. Mangosteen

    Mangosteen Hold strong not

    Yeah it's the morote seoi nage - I get elbow and shoulder pain trying to load people onto my back, even with the drop.
    With seoi nages in general though I find the back loading part difficult, but I can do a same side seoi nage
  9. Mushroom

    Mushroom De-powered to come back better than before.

    I do my seo nage's by making sure my opponent is coming forward or coming from the opposite angle. And then use their momentum, I rarely back load. If I do, it's more of a Harai goshi (sp)

    I assume, you're sticking your butt out etc? (disclaimer, about 99% I go for the drop, been ages since I've done standing)
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  10. icefield

    icefield Valued Member

    Are you pulling them past you and up with your pulling arm as you turn, sometimes if your pulling arm is pulling round and not straight they slip off, also don't reach back with your other arm that clamps onto their arm that can also put you out of position for loading them into your back

    To get a good back load you need to:
    have space to pull them into,
    Be lower than them
    Have them off balance and on their toes
    Be pulling in a straight line up and past you

    As mushroom said getting them moving into you is a good idea, as is attacking their balance first to make them move back is with a inside sweep then when they are off balance turn snap them forward to the gap you have created
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  11. Mangosteen

    Mangosteen Hold strong not

    Okay so i worked on my seoi nages footwork and keeping my hips forward with drills this weekend whenever i waited for a train.
    today i was able to do ippon seoi nages not morotes

    Uchi komi:
    5x5 seoi nages
    5x5 seoi nages with finish
    1x5 seoi nages with koichi gaki finish (im not good at this on short folks)

    i need to focuse on low hips (icefields and mushrooms tips really helped i left space and pulled them in) in the seoi nages but i actually threw people! (not well)

    then we practiced uchi mates (remember feet inbetween partners and pull the upper body to the opposite side of the lifting leg)

    then we went over a lot of groundwork techniques very very briefly like sode jime variation from inside someones guard, bow and arrow chokes, spanner chokes from top turtle, americanas and DWLs from side control. explained to other whitebelts on how to separate an arm for an americana.

    the blackbelts seem to think shoulder attacks are permissable in judo so im gonna keep at them.

    also got a whizzer gi feed as control from fighting in newaza (on the knees) against a blackbelt but couldnt figure out my next move. he spun and i took side control then knee on bellt then mount, he bridged and i took an armbar but as usually couldnt stick it when i dropped back.
    i later forced him into turtle and i gut wrneched but was afraid of knocking other people so stopped half way and reset.

    i played with a white belt and was refining/remmebering my guard game - the sode jime variation really made me think about being more active with guard.

    rolled with a higher belted female. i tried not to strength it too much but its hard to moderate baseline strength. she was very good and fought out of back control better than most folks.
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  12. icefield

    icefield Valued Member

    For some reason judo seems to treat kimuras and key locks as attacks on the elbow so they seem to be legal never got that myself!
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  13. Mangosteen

    Mangosteen Hold strong not

    I was reading through the rules and it basically comes down to the ref - you're allowed not kimura/reverse ude garami/ DWL as long as you aren't moving the hand back but rather pulling theelbow forward. ive never seen it applied in a way that doesnt move the hand back even a moderate amount.
  14. Mangosteen

    Mangosteen Hold strong not

    So today i did some random mini workout cos there was a free buffet at work and i ate too much cake. elbow hurt again toward end of work out. quite sure its a shoulder nerve trapped.

    Deck of cards (in under 30 mins):
    Heart - baithek
    Spade - dand
    Diamond - back bridges
    Clover - stiff legged toe touch
    Red face card - 10 gripper squeezes
    Black face card - 10 donkey calf rises
    Jokers - 10 neck bridges
    Aces - 10 sit ups

    Just did the reps on the card number until i finished the deck.
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  15. Mangosteen

    Mangosteen Hold strong not

    Low volume other lift day

    Front squat:
    80x2 (+1fail)

    40x5 btn push press
    50x5 btn push press
    50x5 btn push press

    shoulders wont internally rotate overhead as much as they used to. need to ensure im working on my shoulder and upper mobility regularly)

    60 fail
    60 fail (not pulling high enough and bouncing off my hips slightly)

    snatch grip high pull:
    (not fast at all and sloppy on one side)

    wide grip pull ups:
    3x5 (about 80% of the way there)

    weighted stick shoulder roations - shoulder-elbow pain again - going to work on pushing shoulders back, internally roating elbows overhead and stretching above rather than full roation
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  16. Mangosteen

    Mangosteen Hold strong not

    Upper body day:

    Bench press:

    Back Squat:
    80x5 (push to get out the bottom but I'm better at pushing through sticking points)

    Overhead press machine:
    50x3x10 (again shoulder/elbow pain)

    after this I did half the amount of bodybuilding style accesory i normally do because of time restraints, probably a good thing considering the shoulder/elbow thing and little sleep and stress of this week. i am over all high with calories this week but i still need rest. taking tomorrow off judo for a friends leaving party and maybe will go climbing/date night with the missus on saturday.
  17. Mangosteen

    Mangosteen Hold strong not

    I went to judo today. Was late cos of work so only an hour of judo today.

    We worked on koichi gari uchi Komi and then practiced tail otoshi.

    I hate tai otoshi. I screw up throwing it, and hurt myself and I can't tell when you need to use it.

    We learnt some counters like outside reap and a suplexing, (somewhere between yoko otoshi and ure waza sp? =

    A note on judo suplexing because of the gi and the distance it creates, you end up with a lot of drag down suplexing

    We did one sided randori and there's a lot of skipping about. Again I think that's down to the gi - hard maintain wrestling grips while skipping.

    I m determined to get better at it.
    I'm entering the local no gi opens next year after a summer of wrestling practice
  18. Mangosteen

    Mangosteen Hold strong not

    Leg day

    Back squat:

    Easy enough to go heavier, can really feel my abs and bracing during squats but I'm easily pushing through sticking points.

    DB Incline Press
    Other elbow pain so Did pulling

    Back row:

    90x5 romanian
    (put it down too fast on both sets)

    Accessory leg day work (no space to leg press tho), sit ups 3x20 and 3x5 wide grip pull ups (about 80% of the way there)
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  19. Mangosteen

    Mangosteen Hold strong not

    Was feeling a little tired so i has a peanut snack and some water and hopped on the steady bike while watching simpsons in the gym.
    25 minutes heart rate 110 to 120.

    Then I did some low volume other lift day, 10 minutes on each section

    50x5 btn push press
    60x1 btn push press

    Front squat (10 minutes):
    80x3 (+1 fail)

    Snatch high pull:
    power snatch 50x1
    power snatch 50x1
    close grip power snatch 40x2
    close grip full snatch snatch 40x1

    Note to self - when feeling demotivated about training the next day, do low intensity cardio.
    Note to self 2 - leave some in the tank and forced rest days are good. rest this saturday.
    Note to self 3 - wednesday watch rugby, sunday go to BJJ club and set up regular training.
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  20. Fish Of Doom

    Fish Of Doom Will : Mind : Motion Supporter

    "60x1 btn push press"

    *high-five* :D

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