Looking for background on Sifu Derek Fung in Sydney

Discussion in 'General Martial Arts Discussion' started by Packet, Feb 25, 2011.

  1. Packet

    Packet New Member

    Has anyone heard of Sifu Derek Fung (馮平波 Fung Ping Bor) training at Homebush ?? Would like to know if it's good school to start my training at in Sydney.
     
  2. MokJong

    MokJong New Member

    It's the Best wing chun I have ever encountered actually.
    It is taught as wing chun should be.
    I enjoy it.... A lot.
    It is not a modified version, which In my personal opinion is a great thing.
    But you should really make your own mind up by trying and comparing.
    Cheers.
     
  3. Late for dinner

    Late for dinner Valued Member

    Interesting comment from MartialTalk Forum:

    ''I'm just posting this up to tell you all to steer well clear of Fung Ping Bor. I had high hopes of meeting a great teacher, a first generation master, but I was sorely disappointed. Having previously trained under Sifu Ian Protheroe, I can say that Derek Fung has nothing on him. Let me explain. I turned up on Saturday morning, Fung was not wearing a uniform, there is no bowing in, no requirement to address senior students as Sihing, and there were only 12 students training--of whom 4 were children.
    He did not explain any of his system of wing chun to me, but rather upfront said that: "no membership, it costs $150 a month." He then let a senior student explain their particular style of wing chun--that everything comes from the stance, and that the stance was the most important part. This is garbage. In a real fight, one's stance counts for little--it is training good footwork, and muscle memory in drills that makes a good fighter. Being able to hold one's stance from a fixed position is of little use when you actually have to fight from a distance. A good martial arts school should have people throwing punches and kicks--a realistic simulation of what fighting is actually like. I saw a lot of guys doing sticking hands--and these guys were complete newbies (they'd only been training for a couple of weeks allegedly). Sticking hands is taught after all the basics have been mastered--one does not immediately jump in and do sticking hands. One guy was 'training his apex' and another guy was doing random punches and kicks by himself--both of these things can be done by oneself. There were no drills, no lap sau pak sau, nothing. Derek Fung spent the vast majority of his time with the four young children, instead of going around teaching everyone.

    At the end of the session, there was no bowing in, no taking of an academy pledge--nothing. I also didn't like Derek Fung's demeanour and attitude either. He came across as a cold, money grabbing old man.

    I've now realised that this man is a complete and utter charlatan. I even doubt whether he finished the system, and if he did, he's not that good at all. He is not accredited with the VTAA, nor is he even known in the wider Wing Chun world. Despite being a Saturday there were only 12 students--hardly the sign of a vibrant school. These guys weren't the brightest sparks either.

    There's a reason Derek Fung is possibly the least known of the students of Yip Man--he's probably one of the greatest wing chun charlatans out there.''

    So not all comments are positive about this teacher.

    FWIW

    LFD
     
  4. Late for dinner

    Late for dinner Valued Member

    Just to add I have never seen or met this sifu. I just wanted to balance out the responses to reflect that not everyone's opinions were positive. Take what you will from the critical comment posted.

    LFD
     
  5. SydneyWingChun

    SydneyWingChun New Member

    Derek Fung

    Hi All,

    I recently read this post concerning Derek Fung. It has upset me on the grounds that yet again people can say anything on a forum and the repercussions can be huge.

    I have known Derek Fung for many years. He is the least money hungry person I know. He runs a school and charges normal fees. He is also an active Sifu, he actually teaches every class and can demonstrate every part of the syllabus.

    One thing that Sifu Derek does have is this, a No D.Head policy in his school.

    The person who wrote the negative information was not smart enough to realise that this so called "money hungry" Sifu didn't want him in his Club. He didn't want his money! Yes he was rude to him. Yes, everyone in the room knew we had a pretender visiting. In fact, when asked his background the quote was, "I know the whole system". Laughable if you saw this guy move. Living in a bubble is so dangerous, this guy proves it! The senior students weren't there but this guy sure gave them some laughing material for some time.

    Anyway, just want you all to know that Sifu Derek is a great guy, a great martial artist and the most straight up man you can meet. He is a tough man, old school and a lot of martial artists who can talk but cant fight often cant deal with him.

    Im proud to know him and its just not fair for people to take shots at someone that does nothing but make the name of Wing Chun proud.

    Thanks for taking some time to read this...
     
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  6. pgsmith

    pgsmith Valued dismemberer

    If the gentleman in question is a decent instructor, how could the repercussions possibly be huge? For that matter, how could there be any repercussions at all?

    Thanks for chiming in with your opinion, but I certainly hope you aren't expecting life to be anything like fair. While it is a bad thing for someone to slam another, it is a good thing for people to post their opinions and experiences, both good and bad. Prospective students should be doing their research on any instructor. The more opinions that are available, the better idea the prospective student has of an instructor. If all opinions are moonbeams and happiness, then the instructor is either an MA god, or he's running a cult (I've met both). A negative comment from a single individual should have little or no effect if it is unwarranted.
     
  7. LemonSloth

    LemonSloth Laugh and grow fat!

    That report kinda read like the person who posted it was pretty mad and some of it just felt like he was raging without good reason. Criticising the intelligence and the turnout of the students (including age and one or two other bits like that honestly just felt like he was picking out flaws for the sake of making it sound worse. I also got the feeling that the chap who posted that criticism wasn't thinking too much about the comment "it all comes from the stance". Unless I'm missing something, there's a lot to be said about proper foot placement and movement and how that can change things.

    Given that this is also from what reads like one visit, this may or may not have been the best summary of it.

    That said, whoever posted that presumably felt justified in doing so. The lack of bowing in/traditional niceties was a bit of an "seems a bit odd..." moment for me. The price as well seemed a tad high. If I have my maths right, 150 Aus dollars comes out at £87.68 here in the UK, at kind of level of cost I would want to know a lot more about the quantity/quality of the sessions I would be getting for that kind of money personally. The quantity of time spent with very few students, lack of drills, etc, did feel a bit odd to me. I can't comment on sticky hands though as WC is not my style - presumably though there are some things in most MA schools that should remain a pretty common theme.

    I should say I don't know the guy, I'm just commenting off the gut reaction I got from the post.

    I think it's more about the concern that a potential student might read such a review and decide against seeing it for themselves without actually taking part. Much as the quality of a person's teaching defines a lot about the standards of the students and the sifu, if you're thinking of checking out a new club and hear bad things about it, are you going to want to see for yourself or think there may be something to those comments?

    As for being huge though, that's probably an exaggeration.


    ^^ This :)
     
  8. Ben Gash CLF

    Ben Gash CLF Valued Member

    Wow, clearly their Kung Fu really sucks :rolleyes:
     
  9. SydneyWingChun

    SydneyWingChun New Member

    Derek Fung

    Hi All,

    I just wanted to say thanks for the posts and subsequent feedback.

    I have no problem with intelligent argument, I merely took offence to someone using words like "charlatan" etc to describe someone whose bona fide's are not in question.

    That's where a line is crossed. I have no problem in someone saying that they do not like the way someone conducts their business.

    I might also say that the class was being run in a part time location. Sifu Derek now has a great facility in the heart of Sydney China Town.

    These older Chinese Sifu's have very harsh and abrupt characters. I was trying to emphasise that actually Sifu Derek didn't warm to the person who came to class. A person that was wanting a Sifu to tell him how great he was... That's all. SO yes, he was wrong, he was rude, but he isn't a charlatan!

    There are 2 ways to looking at it.

    It was the great Ip Man that said its so hard to find a great master but even harder to find a great student.

    Cheers
     
  10. LemonSloth

    LemonSloth Laugh and grow fat!

    SydneyWingChun - how did you find out that this guy who posted the negative review was definitely a particular guy who walked into your training area (kwoon, is it?).
     
  11. Rand86

    Rand86 likes to butt heads

    Also, there were only *gasp* twelve students in attendance!

    Clearly, instructors should herd people into classes at gunpoint. :D
     
  12. break Wood

    break Wood New Member

     
  13. barongan

    barongan New Member

    nice share[​IMG]
     
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