Liuhebafa 3 Division Push Hands

Agree! Here is a good example.

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAN-ZKQlucg"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAN-ZKQlucg[/ame]

 

The same could be said of this. It works against tree huggers but who else?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=CEXN4o_yAg0

I mean these kinds of tree huggers





Not these kinds

 

Essentially I was thinking the same thing as Subitai said. Particualy if you consider this to be a drill rather than an technique or application. If you freeze the frame at 1.30s in you see that the motion is symmetrical. This can help to build up awareness of how the trapezius, latimus dorsi and obliques like to move when generating power in an opening movement. it also allows the two sides of the back to work antagonistically.

[ame]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aY7c4HjMALM[/ame]

In Kung fu their is a movement called a gold splitting fist or dividing fist, its a big overhead backfist done with both arms. It can be done with a similar mechanic with the two arms counterbalancing each other and the muscles of the back working antagonistically to provide a central stable point that the moment flows out from. There was a good example but brief of gold splitting fist in a long video of hung gar techniques on a recent thread but I can't remember which thread or where I found the original clip.

 

Ok, I want to speak off topic about the stupid WC guy in this video.

He sits there for how long...displaying his WC stance with his arms stretched out. Really that stance is all about waiting for the guy to attack 1st.

* What I mean by that is you don't attack with "Yee gee kim Yeung Ma" (2 character lifting sheep stance) for sure not in the ring!


Anyway...after all that, what does he do???
- Runs straight across the ring into a guy who is crouching already
- Gets dumped with a full double leg takedown...

What a fool...and obviously not prepared for fighting in that format.


What upsets me is he did everything he could to screw up his chances of even applying WC.

 

If he could hide his intention and move around, his opponent might not have enough information and confidence to attack that early. This is why it's important to "move around". Even if you don't know what you are going to do, you still move around. When you move, soon or later you will find your opportunity to attack.

If you move in circle, you can force your opponent to move with you. That mean you will lead the fight and that's very important. This is why I think the static PH may develop some "bad habit".

 

Push hands in general develops bad habits. I prefer to have my hands free and on the inside of the other guy's arms, inside his gates. Then it's just touch and go.

 

I wouldn't call it a 'drill' persaonally, because to me that implies a pre-determined sequence of moves. But that is really just semantics - I take the point that you are making, it isn't an application.

However, it is still important to practise PH with as much 'aliveness' as possible. If the practitioners simply move their arms around in cirlces without considering the reasons WHY their arms are moving then it just becomes an excercise in relaxation. Obviously the relaxation is crucial, but at the same time you need move with a purpose.

It's no use learning to read your opponents intentions if you are in no position to react to them. And wafting an arm around behind you leaves you wide open to an attack. If both of your opponent's hands are active then both your arms must be active too. Otherwise you may find his hands 'ganging up' on yours!

 

Agreed but I am not sure that this is happening in this case.

Yes and no. Fighting square on has its strengths and weaknesses as does fighting side on.

In the first frame of the video below and again at 2.28 you see a very similar body mechanic used as in the drill above.

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ESlN5Orkrk"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ESlN5Orkrk[/ame]

 

You may have valid points, but I can't see what any of it has to do with pushing hands. Which is what the thread was about!

 

Clarification -


[ame]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aY7c4HjMALM[/ame]

Yes and no. Fighting square on has its strengths and weaknesses as does fighting side on.

In the first frame of the hung gar technique video and again at 2.28 you see a very similar body mechanic used as in the second video of a pushing hands drill in the original post (the drill above).