Lets Talk Tae Kwon Do

Discussion in 'Tae Kwon Do' started by Chazz, Feb 19, 2002.

  1. LilBunnyRabbit

    LilBunnyRabbit Old One

    Fun and games all round.

    And it does make sense when you consider the political stuff in Korea.
  2. TkdWarrior

    TkdWarrior Valued Member

    i hav heard something like this, but i ain't sure..
  3. KarateKid1975

    KarateKid1975 New Member

    ckdstudent wrote:

    Wouldn't it be easier though to get one technique right first, or a handful, and then move on to the next few rather than just dumping the lot on someone at once? Better one good technique than fifty poor ones.

    Yea, that's what he did. One or a few techs at a time till we got it right. Then he moved on to the next few while still keeping the others in practice. Some learned faster than others. He didn't pressure those who learned slowly. He worked more with those folks. I learned fast, I guess, because I trained 4 to 5 days a week. Plus he was really big into proper technique, so he didn't just show you something and leave you to learn it. He would work with you till you got it right. Even white belts were learning fast with this guy. He is an amazing instructor. That's why I still train there, eventhough I'm 300 miles away. Every two months or so, I go back and train for a coupla days to a week.
  4. Tosh

    Tosh Renegade of Funk

    No but by definition i see a "white belt" as someone who has NO previous experience of any martial art.

    IMO the most important attribute ANY martial art teaches is an understanding of how the human body moves react in attack and defence situations. Without this you are just doing keep fit.

    And the point I was making was it's unreasonable for a junior bbelt in TKD to effectively teach the grabs throws etc in TKD effectively to a "white belt" in TKD.

    By no way was I saying a TSD instructor (since they have the experience in this field) shouldn't teach these techiques.

    At the end of the day it's how much the instructor knows and how well they can teach it.
  5. Freeform

    Freeform Fully operational War-Pig Supporter

    Hey Tosh,

    No, I expect the white belt to get punched in the face whilst he's trying to figure out what he's done wrong.

    See you around bud.

  6. Helm

    Helm New Member

    Ok, i think i probably generalised ITF too much for some people.
    Not having done ITF only seen it, i can't comment too much.

    Oh, and in that pic why isnt the kicking guy wearing a head-gaurd? And dont ITF have mats on the floor when sparring?
  7. Tosh

    Tosh Renegade of Funk

    I myself have only trained a couple of times with WTF guys that's why I KNOW I can't comment :D ... although I have watched WTF sparring again and again (and have picked up some nifty tricks too)

    Mats are usually a luxury at these regional events. In order to keep the price of entry down mats are usually not used.

    It is now written to the UKTA regs. that all competitors *must* wear a headguard. Obviously this was brought in to counter-act the dangers of sparring with no headgaurd and no mats.

    Full international ITF rules state for BBelt competitors headgaurds are NOT permitted but optional for coloured belt competitors. Since the guy not wearing a headguard is world class ITF (and has dabbled in WTF) and this was only the first round, I guess he knew what he was doing :D

    P.s. It's Neil Ernest doing the kicking
  8. TkdWarrior

    TkdWarrior Valued Member

    <Full international ITF rules state for BBelt competitors headgaurds are NOT permitted but optional for coloured belt competitors.>
    it's true in ITF only gloves, groin gaurd sometimes shin pads r allowed, they don't wear protective gears cuz it hinders the motion
  9. Tosh

    Tosh Renegade of Funk

    Hey TKD warrior,

    What do you think of the new scorings for the "perfect block" that are being phased in??

    A recap for everyone else, now you will gain 1 point for esssentially blocking the techiques in the correct stance, with correct tool that shifts the balance of your opponent.

    Thoughts please!! Good or Bad thing??
  10. johndoch

    johndoch upurs

    Complicated scoring systems dont work. Take pro boxing for example, for certain organisations, (ie WBO/WBA/IBF etc cant remember which?) in a match you should get points for making your opponent miss but judges never score a fight that way, as it can be to fast just trying to keep up with the shots that land never mind counting the blocks as well.
  11. Tosh

    Tosh Renegade of Funk

    I'm actually really - really surprised that someone has not come up with a fencing-like electronic scoring system for TKD.

    Surely we have the technology to do this at reasonable cost??
  12. TkdWarrior

    TkdWarrior Valued Member

    <What do you think of the new scorings for the "perfect block" that are being phased in??>
    it's complicated but it will ensure good habbits in practitioners...
    most of my freinds are on totally counter strike or offensive habbits...when u put them in back seat they r totally useless...
    this information comes from short hand book from TAI(Taekwon-do Association of India) registered with ITF. n it was in the rules from last 2-3 years but never seen used much...
    the technology will cost too much i guess
    hey Tosh u hav heard the New pre arranged sparring rules(now this will be in competition) now u hav to demonstrate most of ur tools(kicks/punches/blocks/counters/grabbing/takedowns/etc)
    and u hav to demostrate in some stipulated time...
    this information was provided by Master Leong wei meng(VIII dan) to my teacher...i think this would be fantastic idea...ITF is thinking this to include ...u hav any knowledge...
  13. Tosh

    Tosh Renegade of Funk

    I know for a fact Grandmaster Rhee doesn't believe in competition sparring as it exists now.

    Traditional/ Model sparring IMO is a great idea :D. Depending on who you listen too "they" are pushing for both ITF TKD with Model sparring for the olympics.

    Persoanllay, I would like to see TKD take more of a gymnastic form. I.e. competitors perform in each category in teams. Power, Model sparring, Team patterns, Special Technique and Competition sparring to round off the event. Rather than just seeing competitors that only specialise in one event we would see the full range of abilities TKD exponents have.

    Who do yuo think has the best TKD performers incidentely?? I have heard that the argentinians are excellent and I've witnessed the Polish team first hand I'm afraid :eek:
    Last edited: Dec 10, 2002
  14. TkdWarrior

    TkdWarrior Valued Member

    <Rather than just seeing competitors that only specialise in one event we would see the full range of abilities TKD exponents have.>
    that would be nice idea...
    I know GM Rhee hates this..my teacher hav trained with him :D
    i not much into International competitions these days(dont hav latest news) but i believe argentinians always hav good competitive team, no idea about polish...
    tho my fav was one russian girl long back :D ;)
  15. Helm

    Helm New Member

    Hmm, well an electrontic scoring system would be a good idea in theory, only when you get into a 'clinch' situation, u could, in theory, score points but just touching your opponent. I assume ur talking about sensors on the body, picking up impact.

    I know in the competitions i've been to in Plymouth, and soon the one im going to in Manchester, they have electronic scoring, each of the 4 judges in the corner has a buzzer, and when they think a point has been scored they press the button, if the majority of judges press the button 3/4 then its a point, and its registers on the scoreboard. They also have a paper sheet to record scores, to reference at the end of the round, which is given to the jury at the table of 3 people.

    I know this sometimes helps me, if i see im loosing by 2 points, i can go fo a headshot (2 points in WTF) and an additional point if he needs an 8 count.
  16. Tosh

    Tosh Renegade of Funk

    Well surely WTF points are only scored when a good deal of power is applied -> Therefore adjust the sensor appropriately.
  17. LilBunnyRabbit

    LilBunnyRabbit Old One

    The difficulties of designing such a system would make it nigh-on impossible. You'd need to design sensors that could flex, pick up impacts to specific areas only when of a certain power, tell the different between a block and a hit, tell when someone's just pulled their arm in and caught one of the sensors, make them tough enough to withstand the impact easily, and more.
  18. Helm

    Helm New Member

    Jap, exactly, then you'd have the "messing with the sensors" from the coach between rounds. The logistics are too numerous to work imo.
    If it aint broke, dont fix it ;-)
  19. Tosh

    Tosh Renegade of Funk

    Come on! You obviously are not much of a physisict if this is nigh on impossible!!

    Force-feedback sensors for VR gloves have had this abililty for years... Now cost is another thing.

    Sensore these days can be designing to do the following:

    1) Flex
    2) Could b redesigned to pick up impact notice these arcades with the punch bags - not much advance in technology there.

    3) 9 times out of ten you do not block with an attacking area that is legal anyway.

    4) Pick up impacts to specific areas??? Seperate sensors in the armour!!

    For gods sake people think to the future! We can already graft silicon chips to eyes and attach metal arms to shoulder to react with muscles.

    Without going on about conspiracy theories what do you think goes on at R&D in the superpower countries????
  20. LilBunnyRabbit

    LilBunnyRabbit Old One

    I'm mildly insulted at this. What exactly did you study that you can say how good or bad a physicist I am?

    Yes, but then again they don't have to also take heavy impacts and be powered from a compact remote source (unless you wanna plug all the combatants into the mains or make them wear car batteries.

    They measure the speed with which the bag is knocked down, not the force. Keeping the system small you'd have to build some form of pressure sensor, but this would mean that you'd have to make the underlying material rigid in order to get an accurate measure and not allow the impact to be absorbed by the wearer, which means you're hitting a rigid target.

    Which is a completely different matter. We're talking about making a removable suit that is flexible, can take heavy impacts, can spot the area of those impacts, can be powered from a small, light power source, can transmit points to a central system, can avoid restricting movement, can tell the force of the impacts it was hit with, and all in a thickness no more than modern padding at the most.

    How about this. Rather than being nigh-on impossible it just isn't worth the fortune it would cost in research, design and production and no one's going to be doing it any time soon.

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