Learning Tai Chi

Discussion in 'Tai chi' started by ki4jgt, Jun 15, 2012.

  1. ki4jgt

    ki4jgt New Member

    Hi all. What is the best way to go about learning Tai Chi for people who have no teachers around for miles. Please donot tell me I need a teacher. I know this already but unless you're willing to pay for my lessons, I'm practically lost b/c I can't afford it. The lessons weren't handed down by the Gods to one man. They came from the creativity of men. Meaning other men are capable of imitating them (Quite well) if they are dedicated enough. Yes, a teacher will help you learn things which it will take years to learn on your own but right now on my own is my only option. Yes, teachers insure the successful learning of the art so that it may be passed down correctly to future students. I respect that system but I don't have the luxury of using it b/c it's extremely commercial driven (which has a way of chiping away at the culture of it anyways). Now that I've basically commited blasphemy against the Tai Chi gods (every time I suggest learning on my own it seems to upset people like crazy) I'm interested in learning the Yang long form and a sword fighting form. I was wondering if someone could give me a list of valid sword fighting forms also. I used to be very intuitive and I am still somewhat of a private person. I like learning on my own and I have taken down professional fighters before with nothing but intuition. Now I'm having trouble finding myself in life and I need a hobby. The problem is, the one hobby I want to learn I can't pay for. So I thank you guys for all your help.
  2. Kurtka Jerker

    Kurtka Jerker Valued Member

    If you have access to professional fighters, train with them. You'd be lucky to reach mediocrity without an actual teacher, and that's a low bar when it comes to martial arts.

    If you really want it, you won't take shortcuts. Take up boxing, wrestling, or judo at a university or something. There are usually free clubs around and some schools will let you work in lieu of payment. Or get a job.
  3. Kurtka Jerker

    Kurtka Jerker Valued Member

    Or you could just watch youtube videos. Choson DTG karate, Wushurichard, Thefiercehadou and plenty of others are wonderful examples of how rewarding that route can be.
    They're terrible. And you will be too, if you try to do this without a good training environment. We've seen it here hundreds of times.
  4. ki4jgt

    ki4jgt New Member

    Get a job. That seems to be society's answer to everything these days. It doesn't matter what else is going on in a person's life. If they don't have the ability to purchase something they want, they must not have a job and thus must not be contributing to society. . . I love this capitalistic movement people have now.
    I'm not taking shortcuts. Learning is a process. You get little bits and pieces and you combine them all together to form something. I don't want to box, wrestle or take up judo. I simply would like to learn Tai Chi.
  5. ki4jgt

    ki4jgt New Member

    What does it matter to you? It doesn't make you any better or worse if I am terrible.
  6. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    You can't learn it without a teacher any more than you can learn to swim without actually getting in the water. Oh sure you can move your limbs in an approximation of the moves, but the end result would be a waste of time

    If you don't want to take advice from experienced practitioners then this is not the site for you. The advice you will get is always going to be the same - get a teacher because you cannot learn form videos or books. You are not skilled enough or experienced enough to go against that advice or you would not be here in the first place.

    Free online lessons are worth exactly what you pay for them.

    Also I call shenanigans on the "taking down professional fighters" story
    Last edited: Jun 15, 2012
  7. Kurtka Jerker

    Kurtka Jerker Valued Member

    You want something, you have to pay for it. If you can't afford martial arts lessons and you want them, you're going to have to find a way to pay. Again, that might be doing work for the owner of the school and it might be taking a second (or first) job.

    Except you don't know what pieces are good and which ones will fall apart under pressure, you don't know how they go together and you don't have an environment with other people who also know what they are doing, to cement what you have gathered into a coherent, solid product.

    Martial arts is a group activity. You may learn all the moves and you may do them in the air in the official prescribed order but you will not attain any level of proficiency without a teacher to guide and correct you and a school full of fellow practicioners to practice with/on. You need the feedback of other bodies and minds moving with you, as many as you can train with. Why do you think serious practicioners train with other serious practicioners? Steel sharpens steel. At this point you're on the path to being about as hard as oatmeal.
  8. Kurtka Jerker

    Kurtka Jerker Valued Member

    Actually, it does. Combatting ideas like this improves martial arts in general, much in the same way modern MMA made pressure testing more popular and exposed a great deal of witch-doctoring in the martial arts. When we allow ignorance to spread, the overall talent pool shrinks and shallows. When we correct information like this publically, fewer people fall into those traps and the talent pool deepens. Like I said, steel sharpens steel. I want lots of solid people to train with and a robust global martial culture to immerse myself in. Deliberate ignorance and self-decieving mediocrity are my enemy.
  9. ki4jgt

    ki4jgt New Member

    Call what you will. I'm the only person who has actually lived my life. Everything has a weakness and it doesn't take super-man to see them. If you don't believe me, fine. It's no skin off my back if I'm lying or telling the truth.
  10. ki4jgt

    ki4jgt New Member

    LOL I get the need to practice with others but like I said I have no local teachers and oatmeal placed in the right circumstances can be pretty deadly.
  11. ki4jgt

    ki4jgt New Member

    In other words you think I will be teaching this to other people. Yeah, like I said I'm a private person. I don't teach. I never will. When we correct information like this publicly? I haven't spread anything around yet.
  12. Kurtka Jerker

    Kurtka Jerker Valued Member

    You're posting on a public forum. Posting a bad idea. That's what we're countering, currently.

    It doesn't take superman to see most weaknesses, but actually capitalizing on them is a different story. Making the most of weaknesses against a professional fighter requires a similar level of skill, a great deal of luck, or a poor opponent. The latter two don't say anything about your intuition.

    What exactly was the weakness you used to take him down?
  13. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    Doesn't stop you making the details of said life up

    I can see how to bench press 800lbs which does not mean I can do anything about it.

    The former rather than the latter is infinitely more probable
  14. Putrid

    Putrid Moved on

    Have the school holidays started early?

    This might be what the original poster was looking for.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaZwO3Z8k0s"]Tai Chi for Kids - Everyone has fun! - YouTube[/ame]
  15. YouKnowWho

    YouKnowWho Valued Member

    MA training is for someone who has

    - free "time" to train, and
    - free "money" to spend on tuition.

    Without both, MA training may not be your best choice.
    Last edited: Jun 15, 2012
  16. Mangosteen

    Mangosteen Hold strong not

    if you want to learn tai chi for the health benefits, why not take up yoga instead? it's easy enough to find yoga DVDs and they have the same health benefits.
    if you want to learn it for combat applications - you need a teacher
  17. Putrid

    Putrid Moved on

    You can't really separate the health benefits from the martial aspect.In internal arts combat training often refers to the conditioning aspect that prepares the body for combat.It dosen't always refer to beating the snot out of each other during sparring.

    If you take western boxing as an example,it has some excellent health benefits if you do all the conditioning work.This prepares the body for combat and you can only go into combat if you have a healthy body.

    In my style the conditioning exercise is san ti shi,or post standing and this has more health benefits than doing the form.
  18. Mangosteen

    Mangosteen Hold strong not

    saying that - learning forms from the internet all day without someone explaining the combat applications really just makes it a health exercise.
  19. Putrid

    Putrid Moved on

    I doubt if it is possible to learn forms from the internet,let alone applications.Its difficult enough when you have a good teacher.
  20. Pretty In Pink

    Pretty In Pink Moved on MAP 2017 Gold Award

    I also call balony on the "can't afford it" jib. I work part time on minimum wage and I afford some of the best tuition in the Country. Before I had a job I trained at the local boxing gym for £3 a day sessions.

    It's all about priorities mate.

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